Advocates armor + khai utef infinite turn (Simoun is broken)


Rules Questions and Gameplay Discussion


Backstory: I noticed "random" dropped out of the wording for some of the late-game heal powers in mummy's mask. Example: Aegis recovery buries to heal 1d4+2 cards from discard. No "random" word present. Similarly, advocates armor says recharge to "draw an ally from your discard pile". So:

Your deck should be your hand size - 1. Play kjai utef to draw to hand size. Immediately recharge the advocates armor to redraw him to hand (advocates must now be within the top x cards of your deck, where x is your hand size). Play out your hand, play khai utef to draw hand size (including advocates armor), repeat.

This does require that the cards you play be rechargeable or that you have some other means of not dying to your "discard to___" cards, but theres a few people who can do it.

Simoum is absolutely THE most busted character to do this with, because she can gain the ability to recharge blessings of Horus when she would discard them. With that power she gains infinite moves and explores by cycling horuses. It's further breakable by boosting a chain lightning to insane levels and just using that for any combat check. Or stone skin to deal with incidental damage. Or any of the daggers which discard (recharge, for her!) To ignore bane's before/after you act powers.

When I hit on this combo, I ended ~50% of my scenarios on turn one. Not round one, TURN one.


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Probably the easiest fix for this would be to modify one of the needed combo pieces to be a display power instead of whatever it currently is. For example, instead of a discard it would be "Display this card to <thing>. At the end of the turn, discard this card."

That way you can't loop it in the course of a single turn, while still benefiting from the power. In my opinion, Kjai Utef would be the best candidate for this.

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Added to FAQ.

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