U. Summoner Spells

[Grummik Lastsong]

Hello fellow gamers!

In a homebrew game I've just got 13th level with an unchained summoner. I was going to select "Greater Grease" as one of my new spells... But I've just seen that, on the list of classes, there is no mention of the unchained summoner.

I've been looking a few spells that came after "Pathfinder Unchained" book and it seems to happen the same; the Summoner is listed but not the unchained version.

I wonder if the material taken after "Pathfinder Unchained" considers "Unchained Summoner" as standard or simply, this material, does not add any spell with books that have been coming later. ???

Thanks for the help

-> Sorry for mistakes, I'm writing with Gm's permission while playing hahaha.

Edit: The GM just said me to keep that "slot" empty until I know the answer.

[Saethori]

It is true, absolutely no mention of unchained summoner exists in the spell lists of future books.

However, it is far more likely that the mention of summoner spells was meant to be for both summoner and unchained summoner, than the alternative that despite making unchained summoner mandatory compared to its original version in PFS, Paizo has intentionally omitted them from getting spells so that they stagnate.

I'd like if there was a FAQ or ruling that outright states "spells published in books after Pathfinder Unchained for the summoner class are available to the unchained summoner as well".

[Java Man]

My understanding was that anything published after would be compatible with either, but I can't find a rule citation to support that.

[Grummik Lastsong]

Thanks for your answers ^^

I think making an unchained version of anything and then add things only for the previous version would not be the usual decision and probably a poor one if taken... But I've seen some choices that I feel and think as a not good ones being taken (of course it’s my opinion only, I don't want a discussion about it hahaha).

Maybe it's just me but I seems to be a lot of work joining the true list of an unchained summoner...

First, I have to know what sources are older than the Pathfinder Unchained.

Second, I have to know which of those have been taken into account in the unchained summoner list (to know which spells were deleted, which ones were changed, which ones were keep the same and which ones where added).

Third, I have to know what has been released since Pathfinder Unchained and have spells for the Summoner.

Of course, even joining the books my group and I have, we don't have every one of them. Still... I see it as a bunch of extra work just because I wanted to play the revised version of this class.

There is some way for lazy players to keep track of the "true" unchained summoner spell list? If not, from tomorrow I'm officially trying to "unconvince" my GM of playing the unchained version.

To me, it seems that the regular Summoner, even if supposed to not be the "mandatory", has more facilities to be played (just it's more hard to convince de GM... everything else seems to be easier).

Again, thank you so much for your answers!

[Java Man]

Not a rule source, but Archives of Nethys has an unchainex summoner spell list that includes material from sources other than unchained. Not sure how he/ they decided what to put on it.

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

Grummik Lastsong wrote:

Hello fellow gamers!

In a homebrew game I've just got 13th level with an unchained summoner. I was going to select "Greater Grease" as one of my new spells... But I've just seen that, on the list of classes, there is no mention of the unchained summoner.

That's because any new addition to the Summoner spell list will be balanced for both, as well as for any other spellcasters that can access it.

Keep in mind that the only real change to the Summoner spell list for the most part, was the moving of spells that were on the wizard list that the Summoner got earlier access to. So for example, Haste moved form 2nd level on the old list, to 3rd on the new. So if a spell is listed as Summoner X and Wizard Y where X and Y are the same, that's a guarantee it's balanced for UnChained.

[Grummik Lastsong]

That's good to know! Thank you so much! ^^