Animist's Dominate Spirit x Occult Adventures = ?


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I've been trying to make one of my animist's abilities usable in PFS for his next levels up.
its called

Dominate Spirit (Sp):
{ACG pg. 110, Anamist, a shaman Archetype} At 10th level, the animist can attempt to possess creatures or objects as magic jar or possess object. When the animist is attempting to possess the creature, his familiar acts as the jar and must be within 10 feet when the animist attempts to possess a creature. The animist’s soul can perceive his surroundings through the familiar’s senses, clearly evaluate potential targets for possession, and communicate with his familiar telepathically. The familiar retains its autonomy while alsoacting as the jar, and is not harmed by being used as a vessel for the animist’s soul. The animist can use this ability once per day at 10th level, plus an additional time per day every 4 levels thereafter. This ability replaces the hex gained at 10th level.

But, as you might expect, objects rarely pop up in game usable by this ability, So I figured he'll buy a suit of armor to lug around and posses it when he needs to, just so I can get an aesthetic I've been searching for for over a decade. (I even scratch built a sweet mini for it). And this works because

Possess Object:
{UM pg. 1} School necromancy; Level arcanist 5, sorcerer/wizard 5, witch 5 For Reference only
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, F (a gem or crystal worth at least 100 gp)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target one object; see text
Duration 1 hour/level or until you return to your body
Saving Throw Will negates, see text; Spell Resistance yes
This spell functions as magic jar, except you transfer your mind to a single object, animating it as if using animate objects, except your mind controls the object as if it were your own body. You cannot speak or cast spells while possessing the object. Because your original body is effectively dead while under the effect of this spell, this temporarily suspends disease, poisons, and other afflictions affecting you.
allows the caster to animate an object just like the spell

Animate Objects:
Brd 6, Chaos 6, Clr 6
Transmutation
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Targets: One Small object per caster level; see text
Duration: 1 round/level
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
You imbue inanimate objects with mobility and a semblance of life. Each such animated object then immediately attacks whomever or whatever you initially designate.
An animated object can be of any nonmagical material. You may animate one Small or smaller object or an equivalent number of larger objects per caster level. A Medium object counts as two Small or smaller objects, a Large object as four, a Huge object as eight, a Gargantuan object as sixteen, and a Colossal object as thirty-two. You can change the designated target or targets as a move action, as if directing an active spell. This spell cannot animate objects carried or worn by a creature. Animate objects can be made permanent with a permanency spell.

while also acting like

Magic Jar:
{Core Rulebook pg. 309} School necromancy; Level alchemist 5, arcanist 5, investigator 5, sorcerer/wizard 5, summoner 4, witch 5 For Reference only
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, F (a gem or crystal worth at least 100 gp)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target one creature
Duration 1 hour/level or until you return to your body
Saving Throw Will negates; see text; Spell Resistance yes
By casting magic jar, you place your soul in a gem or large crystal (known as the magic jar), leaving your body lifeless. Then you can attempt to take control of a nearby body, forcing its soul into the magic jar. You may move back to the jar (thereby returning the trapped soul to its body) and attempt to possess another body. The spell ends when you send your soul back to your own body, leaving the receptacle empty. To cast the spell, the magic jar must be within spell range and you must know where it is, though you do not need line of sight or line of effect to it. When you transfer your soul upon casting, your body is, as near as anyone can tell, dead.
While in the magic jar, you can sense and attack any life force within 10 feet per caster level (and on the same plane of existence). You do need line of effect from the jar to the creatures. You cannot determine the exact creature types or positions of these creatures. In a group of life forces, you can sense a difference of 4 or more HD between one creature and another and can determine whether a life force is powered by positive or negative energy. (Undead creatures are powered by negative energy. Only sentient undead creatures have, or are, souls.)
You could choose to take over either a stronger or a weaker creature, but which particular stronger or weaker creature you attempt to possess is determined randomly.
Attempting to possess a body is a full-round action. It is blocked by protection from evil or a similar ward. You possess the body and force the creature's soul into the magic jar unless the subject succeeds on a Will save. Failure to take over the host leaves your life force in the magic jar, and the target automatically succeeds on further saving throws if you attempt to possess its body again.
If you are successful, your life force occupies the host body, and the host's life force is imprisoned in the magic jar. You keep your Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma, level, class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, alignment, and mental abilities. The body retains its Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, hit points, natural abilities, and automatic abilities. A body with extra limbs does not allow you to make more attacks (or more advantageous two-weapon attacks) than normal. You can't choose to activate the body's extraordinary or supernatural abilities. The creature's spells and spell-like abilities do not stay with the body.
As a standard action, you can shift freely from a host to the magic jar if within range, sending the trapped soul back to its body. The spell ends when you shift from the jar to your own body.
If the host body is slain, you return to the magic jar, if within range, and the life force of the host departs (it is dead). If the host body is slain beyond the range of the spell, both you and the host die. Any life force with nowhere to go is treated as slain.
If the spell ends while you are in the magic jar, you return to your body (or die if your body is out of range or destroyed). If the spell ends while you are in a host, you return to your body (or die, if it is out of range of your current position), and the soul in the magic jar returns to its body (or dies if it is out of range). Destroying the receptacle ends the spell, and the spell can be dispelled at either the magic jar or the host's location.

Magic Jar has some versatility because it allows for some hopping between possessions.

Now the plot thickens with the release of Occult Adventures with its new spells,

Object Possession:
{OA p.178} School necromancy; Level medium 4, mesmerist 5, occultist 4, psychic 5, sorcerer/wizard 5, spiritualist 5, witch 5
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target unattended Large or smaller object (minimum Tiny) Duration 10 minutes/level (D)
This spell functions as lesser object possession, except as noted above. The possessed animated object has a number of Construction Points appropriate for its size (up to 3 CP for Large objects).
You can return your consciousness to your body as a standard action. On your next turn, you can attempt to possess a different object as a standard action instead of ending the spell.
Lesser Object Possession also adds: A possessed object becomes capable of animation, gaining the statistics of an animated object of its size (including 1 CP worth of abilities; Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 14). You can’t use any spells or other abilities while possessing an object.
A spiritual tether connects your body to the possessed object, in a manner similar to a silver cord (see page 244). If the possessed object and your body are ever farther than close range (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) from one another, this tether breaks, returning your consciousness to your body.

and
Possession:
{AO p.40} School necromancy; Level medium 3, mesmerist 5, occultist 4, psychic 5, sorcerer/wizard 5, spiritualist 4, summoner 5, witch 5
Casting Time 1 standard action Components V, S
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Target one creature
Duration 1 hour/level (D)
Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes
You attempt to possess a creature by projecting your soul into its body. The target creature must be within spell range and you must know where it is, though you do not need line of sight or line of effect to it. When you transfer your soul upon casting, your body appears to be dead. Failure to take over a host ends the spell.
If you are successful, your life force occupies the host body. The host’s soul is imprisoned with you, but can still use its own senses (though it can’t assert any influence or use even purely mental abilities). You can communicate telepathically with the host as if you shared a common language, but only with your consent. You keep your Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma, level, class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, alignment, and mental abilities. The body retains its Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, hit points, natural abilities, and automatic abilities. A body with extra limbs doesn’t allow you to make more attacks (or more advantageous two-weapon attacks) than normal. You can’t activate the body’s extraordinary or supernatural abilities, nor can you cast any of its spells or spell-like abilities.
As a standard action, you can shift freely back to your own body regardless of range, so long as it remains on the same plane. If the host’s body is killed, you return to your own body and the life force of the host departs (it is dead). If your body is slain, when the spell expires or the host’s body is killed, you are slain. It is possible to cast this spell on a new target from within another creature’s body; this resets the duration. You still return to your original body (not any intermediate body) when you take a standard action to do so or the spell’s duration expires. Returning to your body ends the spell. Creatures whose souls are their bodies, such as incorporeal undead and non-native outsiders, use the effects of greater possession instead.

which were followed with this side note about
Possession and magic jar:
{OA p.181} The old magic jar spell is unwieldy, particularly with respect to creatures like ghosts and shadow demons that don’t really use a jar at all. Consider replacing magic jar with the new possession spells for both spellcasters and monsters. Likewise, consider using spells based on possession rather than magic jar.

and later followed by a
Core Mechanic and Clarification:
{OA p.206} The possession spell contains the core mechanics for possession. The description of the magic jar spell states the possessing creature can use her “mental abilities,” and the possession spell works similarly. This term wasn’t previously defined, and has been a source of confusion in many games. The term “mental abilities” as used here refers to the following.
• The possessor uses her skill ranks, along with any feats the possessor has for which she still qualifies in the host’s body. The possessor doesn’t gain any of the host’s feats or skill ranks, but does apply bonuses and penalties associated with the host’s body. For example, when attempting Fly checks, a character who possessed a bird would use her own ranks in the Fly skill, but the bird’s Dexterity modifier and racial, size, and maneuverability bonuses.
• The possessor can use spells and spell-like abilities. Appropriate spell components and foci are still required for spells that call for them. Some spell-like abilities are racial in nature, but the soul’s essence temporarily instills the possessing creature’s quintessential nature into the host’s body. For instance, a shadow demon possessing a paladin can still use its racial spell-like abilities during that time.
• The possessor can use nonmagical and magical class abilities such as domain, hex, rage, and school powers. Supernatural abilities (with the exception of class abilities) are not considered mental abilities, as they generally rely upon a creature’s physical form. For example, a red dragon possessing a cleric of Iomedae could not use its breath weapon ability to breathe fire while inhabiting the cleric’s form. The GM can choose to make a specific exception if she believes an ability is solely mental in nature.

Finally, from all that, I've constructed the following list of conclusions based on the previous info.

    1. "Consider" in the side note means I can choose not to switch to the new spells for the animist's spell-like ability (which is also my preference). Then again, maybe that side note doesn't even pertain to this class ability.
    2. While the gnome animist is possessing the suit of armor, a ranger with a hatred of gnomes can now use her ability against the possessed construct. (This would also imply that holy water should burn a body possessed by a demon, but not the demon itself.)
    3. The clarification now makes the bonus HP from the gnome's Tribal Scars and Toughness feats carry over to the possessed armor.
    4. If a GM insists that, for the session, I respectively use Object Possession and Possession instead of Possess Object and Magic Jar, then the gnome loses the ability to use his hexes while possessing an object, but the hexes that were activated before the possession will run until their allotted time has elapsed.
    5. And the previously-mentioned substitutions would consequently allow an animist to possess a magic item

I'd like to know if you've reached the same conclusions. Thanks

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    6. With the new possession, the host can recall what his body was up to, but with magic jar, he just remembers the inside of the jar.

Any thoughts yet?

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