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In the original Pathfinder Campaign Setting for 3.5 it talked briefly about the Gillmen and said they are humans but they lose the bonus feat and skills and gain swim, etc.
In the Advanced Race Guide they are separated out. The only mention of them being human is fluff text and if they take "Throwback".
So, are they no longer human in Pathfinder? As in, I can't take feats that are "human only"? I THINK this is the case, since Throwback specifically says you gain the human subtype but lose the aquatic subtype but I wanted to be sure.
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By RAW in Pathfinder, Gillmen are not humans. They are humanoids with the aquatic subtype. This means they aren't humans, and can't take human feats/archetypes/favored class bonuses... unless, as you mentioned, you take the Throwback archetype.
Basically, yes, you're correct.
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Okay thanks, yeah. I was looking for more info on them and found the old Pathfinder Campaign setting writeup, so that kinda confused me... cause apparently in Paizo's 3.5 era book, they were still humans by the RAW.
Which is cool, I'm making a Riverfolk/Slimehunter Gillwoman who is a rogue (bandit/eldritch raider) so the Gillmen favored class bonus is same as the human one anyway. Her concept is (and she has the lores to back this up, something that annoys the heck out of the GM I might be playing her with... that is, players not taking lores to back up concepts/speech) that she actively fights the aboleth and other aberrations. She's a bit paranoid (drawback) cause... anybody could be an aboleth in disguise (Veiled Masters)!
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Gillmen are not Human. This is brought out in the PFS Scenario ** spoiler omitted **In the original Pathfinder Campaign Setting for 3.5 it talked briefly about the Gillmen and said they are humans but they lose the bonus feat and skills and gain swim, etc.
In the Advanced Race Guide they are separated out. The only mention of them being human is fluff text and if they take "Throwback".
So, are they no longer human in Pathfinder? As in, I can't take feats that are "human only"? I THINK this is the case, since Throwback specifically says you gain the human subtype but lose the aquatic subtype but I wanted to be sure.
Ah so then he's a jerk. Hehe. But thanks yeah I don't play PFS (or read the scenarios.)
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Ah so then he's a jerk. Hehe. But thanks yeah I don't play PFS (or read the scenarios.)Gillmen are not Human. This is brought out in the PFS Scenario ** spoiler omitted **In the original Pathfinder Campaign Setting for 3.5 it talked briefly about the Gillmen and said they are humans but they lose the bonus feat and skills and gain swim, etc.
In the Advanced Race Guide they are separated out. The only mention of them being human is fluff text and if they take "Throwback".
So, are they no longer human in Pathfinder? As in, I can't take feats that are "human only"? I THINK this is the case, since Throwback specifically says you gain the human subtype but lose the aquatic subtype but I wanted to be sure.
Well, he was a jerk as he has been confirmed dead.
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I don't know why. Confirmation is an excellent intro scenario it offers an educational vignette on Golarion society. It's wonderfully replayable as it has random factors in how it flows through. I've enjoyed both playing and running it.Ah so then he's a jerk. Hehe. But thanks yeah I don't play PFS (or read the scenarios.)Gillmen are not Human. This is brought out in the PFS Scenario ** spoiler omitted **In the original Pathfinder Campaign Setting for 3.5 it talked briefly about the Gillmen and said they are humans but they lose the bonus feat and skills and gain swim, etc.
In the Advanced Race Guide they are separated out. The only mention of them being human is fluff text and if they take "Throwback".
So, are they no longer human in Pathfinder? As in, I can't take feats that are "human only"? I THINK this is the case, since Throwback specifically says you gain the human subtype but lose the aquatic subtype but I wanted to be sure.
Well, I don't play PFS for many reasons (biggest being the closest games to me are over 75 miles away... unless I play online, and I'm not much for online games), so there's not much point to buy the scenarios if I'm not playing or running them.
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Yeah, I don't hate PFS, although I could never be a GM. Not being able to house rule stuff I don't agree with (like the new FAQ about how adding a spell to your spells known does not add it to your spell list... which I might be okay with if not for the Dreamed Secrets feat. Which, doesn't affect PFS (it's banned due to it requiring worship of the Old Gods, which is banned) so Paizo doesn't care that the feat is either utterly worthless to those that would want to take it, or shooting yourself in the foot if you are actually able to use it.) would drive me crazy. Playing? Yeah, I can deal with rulings I don't agree with (99.99% of the time... there was one incident I had with a GM who hosed vampires in White Wolf's V:tM. If you want full details, PM me.)