Brawler's Flurry & Flurry of Maneuvers

[J Michael Neal]

Can a multiclassed Brawler/Maneuver Master Monk stack Brawler's Flurry and Flurry of Maneuvers, making all of the flurry attacks followed by a single maneuver? The relevant wording of Brawler's Flurry is:

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Starting at 2nd level, a brawler can make a brawler's flurry as a full-attack action. When doing so, a brawler has the Two-Weapon Fighting feat when attacking with any combination of unarmed strikes, weapons from the close fighter weapon group, or weapons with the "monk" special feature. She does not need to use two different weapons to use this ability.

and the relevant wording of Flurry of Maneuvers is:

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At 1st level, as part of a full-attack action, a maneuver master can make one additional combat maneuver, regardless of whether the maneuver normally replaces a melee attack or requires a standard action. The maneuver master uses his monk level in place of his base attack bonus to determine his CMB for the bonus maneuvers, though all combat maneuver checks suffer a –2 penalty when using a flurry.

That makes it seem like you can, since the Brawler's Flurry is described as a full attack action and Flurry of Maneuvers allows you to add an extra maneuver as part of a full attack action. That seems a little out of hand, though.

[Kazumetsa_Raijin]

Actually, Brawler's Flurry and Flurry of Maneuvers; are unrelated and separate abilities. Flurry of Maneuvers should combine with Flurry of Blows. Flurry of Blows is just TWF, afterall.

Seems legit.

[Saint_Yin]

Flurry of maneuvers can be activated whenever you use any full-attack action. Since Brawler's Flurry is listed as a full-attack action, yes. , one can use both.

[Daeslan]

Flurry of Maneuvers can be used with ANY full attack action? You can just tack it on any time? Is that actually correct? The wording seems a bit vague.
I would read it as: when you declare FoM it's considered a full attack action and the extra maneuver can be used in conjunction with that. Similar to the class feature it is replacing.

[blahpers]

Daeslan wrote:

Flurry of Maneuvers can be used with ANY full attack action? You can just tack it on any time? Is that actually correct? The wording seems a bit vague.

I would read it as: when you declare FoM it's considered a full attack action and the extra maneuver can be used in conjunction with that. Similar to the class feature it is replacing.

That isn't what the text states.

Flurry of Maneuvers wrote:

At 1st level, as part of a full-attack action, a maneuver master can make one additional combat maneuver, regardless of whether the maneuver normally replaces a melee attack or requires a standard action.

You can do this with a regular full-attack or with other actions that essentially equate to a full-attack (per this FAQ). A brawler's flurry should work, though it would stack the penalties as well. Ditto spell combat and possibly Pummeling Style, though that's different enough that a GM could rationally disallow it.

[Daeslan]

That doesn't sound right... It's called flurry of maneuvers, not Extra Maneuver.

[blahpers]

The name is misleading. In practice, a "flurry of maneuvers" often has more regular attacks than maneuvers.

[Daeslan]

I'll give up on this now...

[Shane LeRose]

What an excellent dip for a strangler with grabbing style.

Thank you!