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Those gloves are lame, and stupid.
A standard action to get a 2D6 vampiric touch 3 times a day OR you can just use her natural ability to get a 6D6 Vampiric Touch an unlimited time a day.
I have no idea why she'd ever use them or even buy them?
I think people forget that Paizo added that ability. I know I had no idea about it until this thread.
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Huh. I had been given the impression that the gloves were allowing her to use her natural ability at range instead of in melee.
That would be nasty but there are already gloves that let you do that.
Gloves of the Shortened Path. THOSE would make this fight unbelievably nasty.Personally I'd love to just let them stack to increase her VT to 8D6 instead but as written that doesn't work.
Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville
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As everyone is sharing...
Zyvixis, my sorcerer dipping once into Caviliar for the Axe Beak (Axisekra) had used two boons during this, he handed one lady a doll, and used a boon to auto succeed at a skill that was untrained.
Then, during the fight, the Axe Beak fetched the unconcious man from the Gazebo.
I also got to entone the words.. "I hit the Gazebo!"
Ah, fun times... Fuan tymes...
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I'd like to give a shout out to Matt, the western PA venture captain, for a bit of spontaneous NPC background creation when he ran the mod this weekend at GASPCon. I was playing my rogue/sorceress who had been pretty successful at influencing people at The Blackros Matrimony, and she took it upon herself to work on Senator Naran. Here was a suitable challenge for her diplomatic wiles, but she was initially rebuffed with a pat on the butt and a crude joke.
I decided to try a different tactic, and started talking to Mrs. Naran (even in Golarion, women don't go to the restroom by themselves). Matt then ad libbed a wonderful background story about how she came from a poor background, and don't I dare judge her, she was just doing what she had to do to make it in this world. I got to commiserate that my character had also risen from a poor background, and might totally have done the same thing were their positions reversed. If she ever needed a friend in the Pathfinders, like maybe to push Naran down a well, and speed up the inheritance process, she should contact me. It didn't get us any influence credit in the end, but it was a fun bit of rp with someone who apparently only gets the briefest of mentions in the written mod.
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I'm running this next month, and I was wondering about some of the listed tactics appearing to contradict the actual spell mechanics.
"During Combat The alu-demons combine melee combat
with using suggestion to make a PC drop his weapons and
shield—an unreasonable suggestion that grants the PC a +2
bonus on the Will save." (bolding mine)
From the description of Suggestion:
"You influence the actions of the target creature by suggesting a course of activity (limited to a sentence or two). The suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the activity sound reasonable. Asking the creature to do some obviously harmful act automatically negates the effect of the spell." (bolding mine)
In summary, it seems like the author of the adventure thinks that unreasonable Suggestions just get a bonus on the will save, but the rules say the spell just fails, period.
Should I:
A: Just use the tactics as written?
B: Attempt to phrase the Suggestion in a way as to make it sound reasonable?
C: Attempt to use a different Suggestion that has a similar result?
If B or C, should the PCs still get the +2 bonus on the will save since the encounter is balanced around the PCs having a slightly easier time making the save?
PS: Sorry if the spoiler box is too long. First time posting here, so I wasn't sure exactly what the proper decorum was for dealing with spoilers and what is/isn't one.
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Should I:
A: Just use the tactics as written?
B: Attempt to phrase the Suggestion in a way as to make it sound reasonable?
C: Attempt to use a different Suggestion that has a similar result?If B or C, should the PCs still get the +2 bonus on the will save since the encounter is balanced around the PCs having a slightly easier time making the save?
One of the hallmarks of GMing is being able to modify the rules to achieve an outcome. IME, PFS authors will take this liberty from time to time.
With that in mind, I would use the tactics as written and go with option B or C. Think of it as invoking GM discretion. My only caveat is that if you go with option C, you might run into trouble if the players don't agree that your disguised suggestion would have the effect of dropping the the weapon and shield.
Yes, I think the +2 should still apply. I agree with your interpretation that the bonus is an explicit indication of the author's desire to reduce the difficulty of the encounter.
Hope that helps.
Thank you very much for the reply! That's basically what I was leaning towards.
For C, I was thinking that basic idea of the Suggestion is to get a martial character to waste few actions and perhaps provoke AOs, so any Suggestion that would get those results would be in the spirit of the listed tactics, even if it doesn't literally involve them dropping their weapon and shield.
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Note that unreasonable <> harmful act. Only a harmful act negates the spell.
Even if the act is deemed unreasonable, you can word it to make it sound somewhat reasonable if you try. It does sound like the author was giving a bonus to the save due to the dangerous nature of the suggestion. The spell lists a possible penalty to saves for very reasonable suggestions, so granting a bonus to somewhat far fetched requests seems in line IMO.
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Note that unreasonable <> harmful act. Only a harmful act negates the spell.
Even if the act is deemed unreasonable, you can word it to make it sound somewhat reasonable if you try. It does sound like the author was giving a bonus to the save due to the dangerous nature of the suggestion. The spell lists a possible penalty to saves for very reasonable suggestions, so granting a bonus to somewhat far fetched requests seems in line IMO.
That's a good point about the text of the spell implying that bonuses for far-fetched requests would work too.
I appreciate the feedback!
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Fair enough.
Different question: the "Driven by Glory" award is clearly only for the Taldor faction. What about "Concern for Liberty"? Is that only for the Andoran faction?
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Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento
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Also, does anybody know Damian Blakros and Michellia Blakros's alignments? I have an inquisiter, a cleric, and a paladin playing tonight. I expect detect evil to be spammed quite a bit. (Based on previous impressions of the Blakros, I will go with LN for Damian, and CN for Michellia, which must make their marriage interesting to say the least. Unless there is other information out there.)
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PCs +1
She did wind up dominating the inquisitor, but she was standing within a protection from evil 10' cast by the cleric next to her. She failed her save, but couldn't be compelled unless she left the 10' radius... Inquisitor and Cleric wound up hobbled together for the entire fight trying to keep the inquisitor sane till she could be dispelled.
Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East
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When I ran this for PFS, I used a version of this for Dyrianna, cropped down to hide the legs and tail. Dev Art Picture I had stuff for the others too, but none that fit so well.
Something I've wanted to do ever since playing this at Gencon is run this as a LARP. Not for PFS by any stretch, but as a fun one-shot. Next weekend I finally get to. Working up more backstory for each of the Important People was fun. Going to have players for each of them, and my dad being the chef, making an actual feast for everyone there.
The hardest part is coming up for something for the Important People to do while the "party" is fighting in the basement and the garden. I'm probably going to skip the optional encounter. For now I'm just going to have them keep mingling while the "party" deals with the basement. (The site I'm using has an actual bomb celler!)
For while the "party" is fighting in the garden... I was thinking of throwing a bigger brute of a demon at the Important People. Samivashti is still the brains of the opperation, but have something that lets Maldris, Damien, Dyrianna, and Darchana flex their muscles a bit. It's LARP, so it'll be mostly cinematic anyways. Does anyone have some suggestions on what they should be fighting?
KOTH'VAUL IS MUCH MORE BURLY THAN THOSE PATHINDER FOOLS, ESPECIALLY THAT ANDORAN MAN-WHORE, COULSON. THE ONLY APPROPRIATE CHALLENGES FOR THE LYING HORNS ARE GODS.
AND MOTHER, BUT THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
