I would say they would come with the full plate, and all the same rules that apply to the full plate apply to the gauntlets.
As for the elemental, that depends on what type of Dragonhide you find yourself with.
Did you click the FAQ for the Adamantine Plate/Gauntlets thread which (I'm guessing), prompted this question? Pretty much the same questions have been raised and points of view on them posted.
EDIT: link
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Did you click the FAQ for the Adamantine Plate/Gauntlets thread which (I'm guessing), prompted this question? Pretty much the same questions have been raised and points of view on them posted.
EDIT: link
I'm no expert, but I'm inclined to suspect this thread isn't intended seriously.....
EDIT: Just saw the next post. Not sure if this is brilliant satire or I've just misunderstood the first post.
To clarify the price reduction question:
Would a Red Dragonhide gauntlet receive a reduction in the price to add the flaming quality?
No. Gauntlets cannot be enchanted by themselves as an armor. They can be a part of a whole armor set, thus enchanted with the rest, or they can be enchanted alone, either as a weapon, or as a wondrous item.
Dragonhide only gives a discount to energy resistance, to a armor or shield, gauntlets alone being neither.
As a GM, leaving the rules aside, I would be likely to allow a certain discount anyway, since I really like collecting construction components.
At the end of the day, making gauntlets, thus taking up a magic item slot, you would get the energy resistance 33% cheaper anyway (like the ring of energy resistance).
EDIT: I only read your actual question now... Nothing in the rules gives such a discount. The flaming ability would be problematic to discount, given that is a +1 equivalent, and not a fixed price.
Harald that is incorrect. Gauntlets come with armor, but they are not armor at least not until I see a quote that says otherwise. As an example armor spikes are not armor. They are just weapons that can be added to the armor.
Harald that is incorrect. Gauntlets come with armor, but they are not armor at least not until I see a quote that says otherwise. As an example armor spikes are not armor. They are just weapons that can be added to the armor.
I am not entirely sure, how much we disagree. The effect being the same, whether or not gauntlets are part of the armor seems a lesser point. Just a full plate contains boots, helmet and padding, besides the plates, those parts are a part of the armor.
Even so they can be replaced by similar items, if you get magical boots, helmet etc.Being part of the armor, does however not mean that they, like the gauntlets, in themselves counts as armor for enhancement purposes.
Ignore my last post. It seem that the last few days I have lost my ability to read correctly. It seems that I agree with your post.
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Yeah, I, at this point, don't care if Dragonhide gauntlets come with Dragonhide fullplate.
I am simply curious if I can buy Dragonhide gauntlets, and how much they would cost, and if I get a discount when adding elemental abilities like flaming.
Just ignore the part about armor, it's unimportant to my questions.
The point being made was that the rules only discuss dragonhide armor. Since the gauntlets are not armor, and there are no rules for dragonhide weapons by RAW, then it falls into GM Fiat territory.
In short:RAW your question can't be answered because the rules don't address it.
Well, shield are weapons, and can be made of Dragonhide.
Actually shields are armor that can be used as weapons, and since they have an armor classification the rules support their use with dragonhide armor.
Even if they were weapons first, the fact that they have an armor classification would get rid of the issue.
Gauntlets however don't count as armor at all, and rules only account for armor in this case. Unlike mithril the rules don't account for other items made from dragonhide.
That puts you back at GM Fiat and no RAW answer.
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Ok, here's how you do it and price it.
Spiked Gauntlets
Quote thing:
"Note: The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet."
Dragonhide
Another quote thing:
"Cost: Dragonhide armor costs twice as much as masterwork armor of the same type..."
5g for gauntlet
300g for masterwork. Being willing to pay for the masterwork weapon should be enough to convince a DM to let you enchant them.
305g for a single gauntlet. 610g for a dragonhide gauntlet. 1220g for a pair of dragonhide gauntlets. Didn't say it was cheap, but should count for something.
With the rules aside, if you GM is flexible I think Diodric's idea has merit. Personally since all dragonhide does is give the item elemental resistance which should only be a concern if you roll a nat one, and the weapon is rolled on the random item chart I would only charge you 450 for the dragonhide armor for a weapon, or I would actually make dragonhide better in some other way. Making giving it more hardness, but not as much as adamantine. I am still working on the idea. If I come up with a decent idea I will PM you.