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Tengu Swordtrained states Tengu are "automatically proficient with sword-like weapons (including bastard swords, daggers, elven curve blades,..."
The list includes some Simple, some Martial and some Exotic blades (e.g. Elven Curve Blade).
It also includes that problem blade the "Bastard Sword" which has both Martial Proficiency (2-handed) and Exotic Proficiency (1-handed).
I have automatically been assuming that since Swordtrained includes several other Exotic blades, that it includes the Exotic 1-handed proficiency ... but I have been challenged, and the challenger suggests "proficiency" literally lets the Tengu wield the items listed without the -4 penalty and so need only grant 2-handed Martial Proficiency.
I'd *love* an official ruling, or as near as I can get.
Rulings based on personal interpretation, house rules, or campaigns are not going to settle the question!
Tengu Swordtrained states Tengu are "automatically proficient with sword-like weapons (including bastard swords, daggers, elven curve blades,..."
The list includes some Simple, some Martial and some Exotic blades (e.g. Elven Curve Blade).
It also includes that problem blade the "Bastard Sword" which has both Martial Proficiency (2-handed) and Exotic Proficiency (1-handed).I have automatically been assuming that since Swordtrained includes several other Exotic blades, that it includes the Exotic 1-handed proficiency ... but I have been challenged, and the challenger suggests "proficiency" literally lets the Tengu wield the items listed without the -4 penalty and so need only grant 2-handed Martial Proficiency.
I'd *love* an official ruling, or as near as I can get.
Rulings based on personal interpretation, house rules, or campaigns are not going to settle the question!
You're proficient with the Bastard Sword as stated by the racial feature. A Bastard Sword is a 1h Exotic Sword. Therefore, you're proficient with it being an Exotic 1h Sword. The option for it being usable as a 2h Martial Weapon is the description of the sword, and is just that; an option. Just because the descriptions says it can be used by a 2h Martial Weapon doesn't equate it to being a 2h Martial Weapon, as it is classified as a 1h Exotic weapon.
I'm not even using anything that you just listed that you won't count. The weapon in the table is listed as a 1h Exotic Weapon. It says in the weapon description that the Bastard Sword can instead be used as a 2h Martial Weapon instead of its classified form. The DM saying you're proficient with it as a 2h Martial doesn't count because that's just an option with the weapon, not the actual weapon classification itself, which the Core Rulebook Table says it's a 1h Exotic Weapon.
It's a Sword weapon, and you're proficient with all Swords. Because of this, you should be able to use the Bastard Sword as a 1h weapon.
Its a one handed exotic, you're proficient, you can use it. Its special ability is to be used as a two handed martial, which you don't need, because you're proficient with it. Its special ability doesn't make you WORSE at using it.
The bastard sword has two proficiencies. You get both of them. <---Basically another way of saying what the others have said.
As another example the sawtooth sabre can be used as a one-handed weapon with the martial weapon proficiency, but the exotic weapon proficiency allows it to be used as a light weapon in your off-hand.