Welcome to the latest installment of "Who Would Win?"
THE MATCH-UP
The Joker vs. Dr. Hannibal Lecter
In this thread we will be discussing a hypothetical scenario pitting the two most evil, diabolical, and brilliant serial killers in fiction against one another - the insane and unpredictable Joker pitted against the cultured and courteous Hannibal Lecter, M.D.
This would not - of course - be a "battle royale" match, but more of a cat-and-mouse game wherein each killer is baiting, hunting, and attempting to trap and kill the other.
Who would win?
Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts
Lecter. The Joker wouldn't know it was going to happen until it was too late. He'd wake up strapped to a handtruck with his mouth duct-taped...
I'd say the Joker. He is too unpredictable for the calculating Lecter, has probably a far more lethal arsenal, and much worse an attitude, if that makes sense in any way.
The Joker does have a more lethal arsenal and a "bad attitude," but Dr. Lecter is every bit the monster that the Joker is. Lecter eats people. He has killed people with ball-point pens. While contained and in prison.
Hannibal Lecter is extremely dangerous, especially when you underestimate him.
Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts
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The Joker does have a more lethal arsenal and a "bad attitude," but Dr. Lecter is every bit the monster that the Joker is. Lecter eats people. He has killed people with ball-point pens. While contained and in prison.
Hannibal Lecter is extremely dangerous, especially when you underestimate him.
Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts
I'll give you that but he also works at a smaller level than The Joker. Hannibal may stalk, kill and eat someone, true, but while this is going on The Joker has kidnapped every preschool student in Gotham and held them ransom with Joker Gas set on a timer (that is most likely inaccurate) for no reason other thna to just get Batman's attention. It's also, most likely, a distarction for something else entrierly unrelated.
True, but Dr. Lecter is accustomed to facing a larger organization with more powerful tools, manpower, and scope. He's evaded, frustrated, and made a fool of the entire FBI for years.
Hah! A Strong Guy reference. ALL THE MEMORIES... rest in peace, Guido.
Strong Guy: They don't call me "Strong Guy" for nothin'.
Multiple Man: Actually, Guido, nobody calls you "Strong Guy."
Strong Guy: Yeah, well, whose fault is that?
Strong Guy: I'm going to tell you what my best friend told me on the day of my wedding. He said, "Guido... it's never too late to back out."
Wolfsbane: You're married?
Strong Guy: Nah.
True, but Dr. Lecter is accustomed to facing a larger organization with more powerful tools, manpower, and scope. He's evaded, frustrated, and made a fool of the entire FBI for years.
Batman > the FBI. Yes, the whole organization.
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True, but Dr. Lecter is accustomed to facing a larger organization with more powerful tools, manpower, and scope. He's evaded, frustrated, and made a fool of the entire FBI for years.Batman > the FBI. Yes, the whole organization.
I agree, and look how much trouble Bats has with The Joker, I don't think he'd have those issues with Lecter ;)
Mmm Robin meat tastes like chicken...
Depends.
If they had knowledge that they'd be facing each other, Lector would win. If they were just dropped into an area randomly and told to hunt the other person, Joker.
See everyone talks about how evil Lecter is, pay attention to who he kills, they are always either monsters themselves or people that start it. He is not such a bad guy really.
Which is why Lecter would win. Lecter is extraordinarily patient, knows how to perfectly blend into the populace on nultiple continents for years at a time and (unlike Bats) has no qualms about turning the tables in lethal fashion.
Joker is smart - but his planning is short-term, he's impulsive, craves the limelight / publicity and he's used to dealing either with mooks or with costumed hero types. Lecter plans in the extreme long-term, is methodical yet just as adaptable, does not crave the limelight anywhere nearly as much as the Joker and is very accustomed to dealing with the depths of human depravities.
The Joker might admire Lecter's unique methods - and most likely dismisses him as "too small minded" or something similar. He might even find it entertaining to own a cookbook or the prop 'How to Serve Man' autographed by him. But he's got other people to obsess over (Bats) and various irons in the fire, often aimed at Bats' mentality (hostages). Lecter would drug him in some fashion, cart the nutcase duct-tapped, stripped of his toys and ball-gagged, to the bell tower of Gotham Cathedral before making a "bat example" out of him. Cue fade into obscurity, albiet with judicious 'samplings' taken along for the pleasure cruise.
Now escaping Bats' attentions would either prove much more difficult - or ludicrously easy as Bats can now retire.
Batman.
I agree that Batman would likely enter into this, whatever the end results, and clean house before the "winner" of this match could leave town.
This is Batman we're talking about. Not going to happen.
I ate his liver with some fans beans and a fine chianti.
I'm giving the edge to the clown.
Lecter. The Joker wouldn't know it was going to happen until it was too late. He'd wake up strapped to a handtruck with his mouth duct-taped...Joker no contest. Lector's great advantage is against the predictable, the lawful people he'd profile down to the last decimal. Joker would be be someone his usual advantages would be of no help against. He's Chaos personified the only one who's ever understood that was Wonder Woman and she needed Pan's (a chaos diety in his own right) help to pull it off.
He was the one factor even a Lex Luthor did not account for, the fact that another Lex Luthor took end game advantage of.
"You made a lot of mistakes, you underestimated Superman, Superboy, Me. But the biggest one? You didn't let the Joker play."
Lex Luthor's final words to to his dimensional counterpart Alex Luthor.
Lecter dealt with people as mentally chaotic as the Joker for many years. Even the Joker has his patterns of behavior.
If Lex Luthor can account for the Joker, so can Lecter. :)
Now I'm beginning to think that Luthor vs. Lecter might have been a better match up.
Lecter would take advantage of the Joker's biggest hole: his never-ending need for more minions. When the moment is right *squick!* no more Joker.
To be fair, we are comparing apples to oranges. Lecter is "real world-ish" , not "comic book". Make Lecter into comic book scale villainy, and I'm thinking we're looking at Luthor's secret hobby (literally cannibalizing the competition). Which tells me we know now what would happen to Supes/ whomever in the DC 'verse that crosses Luthor one step too often: he eats their brain on his private jet.