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Just a Mort wrote:

Using it as a people opener however…would count as assault at the very least.

“An assault is committed when a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force.” - Section 39 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988

maybe they have gold in their belly?


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...of course.


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Ugh. Public apology to lisamarlene time, and why I should take at least a week to respond to anything Whingey Wizard writes me about: I mentioned her in the e-mail. I can guarantee he'll give her the third degree.

Feel free to send him back my way, LM, and profuse apologies.

I should know better than to send anything in less than 3 days. The man brings out the worst in me.

My quote was inaccurate enough to cause her grief: I said, "GothBard, Shiro, LM, and I remember it this way," when in fact my believe is that LM only confirmed that she knew there'd been a second sending, if that. Don't set people up to have to defend your point of view unless they volunteer. Needless to say both Shiro and GothBard are chomping at the bit to tell him, "That is EXACTLY what you said!", and when I asked them, my question was, "Can you give me the exact quote of what his response was?" rather than, "Did he say xxx?", so I feel I'm in quite a strong position, and I have no right whatsover to put LM on the spot.

So again, public apologies, LM, I'd delete the e-mail if I could, but instead I'll say tell him whatever makes him leave you alone on the whole issue, and I'll take the heat for it.


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Just a Mort wrote:

Is anyone having trouble finishing the dungeon runs in hearthstone? My best was 7/8 with a pally deck. My brother managed to do it with priest on his first try using anduin shadow priest and lots of spells.

Again I don't do arena so my deck drafting skillz just aren't there. I just follow established deck recipes and tweak them a little.

So far so good, I've beaten the first five bosses with a mostly-totem shaman. *knock on wood*

I look for value, and synergies that I know to work.

In what way do you tweak the recipes?

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Like madness and magic old gods recipe I took out yogg souron for too much randomness, and took out the loot hoarders and spell slingers(I felt that it is not good to give opponent spells) and added in faceless summoner for board presence and arcane golem for late game push.


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Speaking of hopeless situations, it sucks to be the healer.

  • DPS purists scoff at the notion of healing in combat at all. "If you can't one-round it so it doesn't have a chance to do damage, you're not playing right."
  • Party members act as if your time and resources are infinite. "Oh, if I go there I'll be flanked by three dual-wielding NPCs who do precision damage? No worries! It's a tactically-advantageous position, and my healer can get me through it?"
  • If you do something offensive, people get offended.

  • Yeah, today we faced an undead BBEG. I had a high initiative, walked up, hit his touch AC with an 18 on the die, blew through his SR with a 19 on the die, and then his 6 on the die failed his Will save. 130 points later, BBEG never got an action in the round, nor did the low-initiative fighter of Gorum.

    Nuked the BBEG, got yelled at by everybody.

    Sucks to be the healer.

    EDIT: Oh, and Trevor died again, but by this point I don't think anyone's paying attention any more.

    Shadow Lodge

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    Who cherry-tapped him for the last point?


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Ugh. Public apology to lisamarlene time, and why I should take at least a week to respond to anything Whingey Wizard writes me about: I mentioned her in the e-mail. I can guarantee he'll give her the third degree.

    Feel free to send him back my way, LM, and profuse apologies.

    I should know better than to send anything in less than 3 days. The man brings out the worst in me.

    My quote was inaccurate enough to cause her grief: I said, "GothBard, Shiro, LM, and I remember it this way," when in fact my believe is that LM only confirmed that she knew there'd been a second sending, if that. Don't set people up to have to defend your point of view unless they volunteer. Needless to say both Shiro and GothBard are chomping at the bit to tell him, "That is EXACTLY what you said!", and when I asked them, my question was, "Can you give me the exact quote of what his response was?" rather than, "Did he say xxx?", so I feel I'm in quite a strong position, and I have no right whatsover to put LM on the spot.

    So again, public apologies, LM, I'd delete the e-mail if I could, but instead I'll say tell him whatever makes him leave you alone on the whole issue, and I'll take the heat for it.

    So far he hasn't mentioned it, and I'm sure as hell not going to bring it up myself.

    He has already implied that it's my fault that everyone accuses him of whinging.


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    And if this causes trouble with the mister, then you owe me dinner the next week he's teaching in So Cal to make up for it.

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    ROTR Spoilers:

    Tell me about my ROTR player run playing an archer cleric of Erastil. I told them, I ain't healing you till you're down cos I've got better use of my turns. Queue all the melee dudes charging ahead(and taking AOOs because of large) to whack some ogres then wondering where I was(once they were on low hp) when they all left behind on a mound since I wasn't budging shooting ogres.

    My sympathies, NH. I tend to play divine casters since it's easier to get into games that way, and I don't care about whether it's arcane or divine casting as long as I can cast.

    A DM even called me out on it before saying that I was doing the group a disservice when I traded my channels for variant channel to do nauseating channel, ale.

    After the fight with a bunch of fairly hard hitting bandits with poor Will saves, I pointed out those nauseating channels saved the party more damage that I could have healed with normal channels.

    Please all you D&D players out there, your cleric/oracle/healer is not your heal bot. Please do NOT treat him as such or you will be out of a cleric/oracle/healer.

    I always tell my party when I'm running Clerics/Oracles/classes with heal spells that I'm not their healbot.


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    Just a Mort wrote:

    Is anyone having trouble finishing the dungeon runs in hearthstone? My best was 7/8 with a pally deck. My brother managed to do it with priest on his first try using anduin shadow priest and lots of spells.

    Again I don't do arena so my deck drafting skillz just aren't there. I just follow established deck recipes and tweak them a little.

    I always thought FF10 X-2 was about casting freedom where Tidus was imprisoned

    I beat the dungeon run with mage on my third try. I've gotten to the last boss with warrior a few times, but haven't been able to finish it. I have played around a little with hunter and priest, but don't think I've made it more than 5 or 6 bosses in with either.

    I know this contradicts when I said earlier that I didn't think I would do any more runs, but sometimes I want to play the game without playing against real people, so this allows me to do that.


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    Just a Mort wrote:
    Please all you D&D players out there, your cleric/oracle/healer is not your heal bot. Please do NOT treat him as such or you will be out of a cleric/oracle/healer.

    Unless, of course, they are running a healbot. I've done that a few times. It can be rewarding if you are that sort of frame of mind. But usually when I've played cleric, I've been more offensive. (In terms of spells as well as behavior.)

    The Exchange

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    I never run heal bots. Buff bots, occasionally yes. There's a perverse pleasure watching your party shred things.

    I think that cleric with ale nauseating channel wasn't exactly an offensive kind of person. He just wanted to go through his life, smashed. And if you offered him drinks, he'd follow you like a puppy.

    Inspired by this song.

    No, I was not under the influence of alcohol when I rolled him up.

    The Exchange

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    Freehold DM wrote:

    maybe they have gold in their belly?

    Are you this guy?


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Speaking of hopeless situations, it sucks to be the healer.

  • DPS purists scoff at the notion of healing in combat at all. "If you can't one-round it so it doesn't have a chance to do damage, you're not playing right."
  • Party members act as if your time and resources are infinite. "Oh, if I go there I'll be flanked by three dual-wielding NPCs who do precision damage? No worries! It's a tactically-advantageous position, and my healer can get me through it?"
  • If you do something offensive, people get offended.

  • Yeah, today we faced an undead BBEG. I had a high initiative, walked up, hit his touch AC with an 18 on the die, blew through his SR with a 19 on the die, and then his 6 on the die failed his Will save. 130 points later, BBEG never got an action in the round, nor did the low-initiative fighter of Gorum.

    Nuked the BBEG, got yelled at by everybody.

    Sucks to be the healer.

    EDIT: Oh, and Trevor died again, but by this point I don't think anyone's paying attention any more.

    I frankly find one rounding things to be boring. As a martial I would really love a cleric to do that to incorpreal undead.


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    lisamarlene wrote:
    And if this causes trouble with the mister, then you owe me dinner the next week he's teaching in So Cal to make up for it.

    Deal!

    The Exchange

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    Heal would do half to incorporeal undead, sadly. Only channel energy does full.

    You need ectoplasmic spell for heal to do full.


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    Well using channel for healing can be fun if you are in a multi table pfs special and all the pcs from all tables are in one room and heal everyone.


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    TOZ wrote:
    Who cherry-tapped him for the last point?

    Oooh -- careful! Pain point! The entire table had a brain fart, in spite of the fact that three of the four of us play high-level clerics who do that.

    So we were obviously tired, but the sorceress had an action before it did, so we'll give her credit for a 1-point Acid Splash that did it in. Just close your eyes and pretend...

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    Usually there will be tier separation to prevent higher level PCs from giving the lower level table too powerful buffs.

    I may/may not have played that multi table special before but I would suspect that that wasn't written into the mod.

    Else what's stopping some high level cleric from dropping a magic circle against evil on the front guy on the low table giving +2 to saves and AC to a level 1-5 table?

    And a high level cleric channel is basically a full heal for low level tables. Who are generally dependent on hp as their primary resource so I would find it a tad over powered..


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    I don't mean to brag, but I'm helping a Nigerian prince with his financial troubles, so I can't really talk right now.


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    Dear Week,
    I'm so over you. I'm leaving you for your best friend Weekend. Don't try to find us for at least two days.


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    My brain when I'm trying to work: "I'm too tired to think."
    My brain when I'm trying to sleep: "Wow! So many things to think about!!"


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    I'm pretty well known at my gym. They all call me "The Before Picture".


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    Yesterday I changed my Wifi name to "Hack me if you can". Today I woke up and found it had been changed to "Challenge Accepted".


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    I could never be a lawyer. I have an inability to pass a bar.


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    Anyone who says "Good Morning" on a Monday should be locked up for being a sociopath.


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    So far, eating has yet to fill the emptiness I feel inside. But I'm not a quitter!


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    If it ain't broke, then I haven't borrowed it yet.


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    I like long walks. Especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.


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    I've found that if you say "Well well well" to someone as soon as they enter the room, you get the upper hand for about 10 seconds.


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    gran rey de los mono wrote:
    Anyone who says "Good Morning" on a Monday should be locked up for being a sociopath.

    That is some Jim Davis comedy right there.

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    Too much work Maths has eaten the thoughts out of my head. Im heading off for my 5e game, I'm quite full but I just want to eat so as to put myself in a better mood.

    This is going to be so bad for my calorie count.

    Again if I don't eat, I'll probably get hungry later during the game where there will be no opportunity to get noms.

    Really shouldn't have eaten that much for lunch...but what can I say? I eat when I'm upset.

    And then I start looking for blue steaks

    Oh.. Blood...


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    I'm at work now, brewing my first pot of tea.

    The Exchange

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    Well beggars can't be choosers so I'm rushing to my game after a wrap...


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    John Napier 698 wrote:
    I'm at work now, brewing my first pot of tea.

    Be doing the same myself in about an hour.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Speaking of hopeless situations, it sucks to be the healer.

  • DPS purists scoff at the notion of healing in combat at all. "If you can't one-round it so it doesn't have a chance to do damage, you're not playing right."
  • Party members act as if your time and resources are infinite. "Oh, if I go there I'll be flanked by three dual-wielding NPCs who do precision damage? No worries! It's a tactically-advantageous position, and my healer can get me through it?"
  • If you do something offensive, people get offended.

  • Yeah, today we faced an undead BBEG. I had a high initiative, walked up, hit his touch AC with an 18 on the die, blew through his SR with a 19 on the die, and then his 6 on the die failed his Will save. 130 points later, BBEG never got an action in the round, nor did the low-initiative fighter of Gorum.

    Nuked the BBEG, got yelled at by everybody.

    Sucks to be the healer.

    Good grief. Is this a random group for PFS or something or is this s table of theoretically friends? If the former it at least makes some sense that they're being overly expectant idiots, if the latter I can't see any logical excuse.


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Speaking of hopeless situations, it sucks to be the healer.

  • DPS purists scoff at the notion of healing in combat at all. "If you can't one-round it so it doesn't have a chance to do damage, you're not playing right."
  • Party members act as if your time and resources are infinite. "Oh, if I go there I'll be flanked by three dual-wielding NPCs who do precision damage? No worries! It's a tactically-advantageous position, and my healer can get me through it?"
  • If you do something offensive, people get offended.

  • Yeah, today we faced an undead BBEG. I had a high initiative, walked up, hit his touch AC with an 18 on the die, blew through his SR with a 19 on the die, and then his 6 on the die failed his Will save. 130 points later, BBEG never got an action in the round, nor did the low-initiative fighter of Gorum.

    Nuked the BBEG, got yelled at by everybody.

    Sucks to be the healer.

    EDIT: Oh, and Trevor died again, but by this point I don't think anyone's paying attention any more.

    I switched characters from a character I really enjoyed playing because of this. I had a half-elf spirit guide oracle who specialized in healing, nonlethal spells, and status removal. Our GM had this stupid "let's vote on MVP for the session and give him +10% xp" rule. Never won once - not when I removed the mass fear effect the bad boss hit everyone with that only I passed, not when I breath-of-life'd the nuker who then nuked the boss so we'd win, and not even when I wall-of-stone'd a boss into a chamber so there was no way in or out but a 1 inch square I left (and I proceeded to flood with create water), winning the fight in two rounds.

    No. Just the tank and the nuker wizard, because they did a lot of damage.

    Every. Game. The nuker wizard was two levels above the rest of us by the time I had my character leave. I told the GM it was that or I'd have him commit suicide by rushing ever badguy, forgetting to wear his armor, and leaving his holy symbol in his backpack.

    I came back with a selfish damage machine - a barbarian/sorcerer/dragondisciple/eldrichknight that took me a LONG time to do all the math right for every variable possible (power attacks, rages, self-buffing, etc). I laughed as people died around me, and yeah, we had a TPK next game, but guess who was the last one to die.

    The GM never stopped that MVP s$@@. And he got pissy when I threw out XP when I took over as GM next game. He also got pissy when I told him his rogue couldn't sneak attack a tree that had blindsight just because he was in darkness. Said I was targeting him specifically. When I opened up the Kingmaker book and showed him the stats for the Scythe Tree to prove I wasn't targeting him specifically, he quit the group like a whiny little b$%+%. Took his girlfriend with him. His girlfriend being the nuker I mentioned earlier.


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    Best not to have that negativity in your life.

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    Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

    Good riddance.


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    I used to like mvping, but it doesn't work well with friends.


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    Snow!!!


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    NobodysHome wrote:

    Speaking of hopeless situations, it sucks to be the healer.

  • DPS purists scoff at the notion of healing in combat at all. "If you can't one-round it so it doesn't have a chance to do damage, you're not playing right."
  • Party members act as if your time and resources are infinite. "Oh, if I go there I'll be flanked by three dual-wielding NPCs who do precision damage? No worries! It's a tactically-advantageous position, and my healer can get me through it?"
  • If you do something offensive, people get offended.

  • Yeah, today we faced an undead BBEG. I had a high initiative, walked up, hit his touch AC with an 18 on the die, blew through his SR with a 19 on the die, and then his 6 on the die failed his Will save. 130 points later, BBEG never got an action in the round, nor did the low-initiative fighter of Gorum.

    Nuked the BBEG, got yelled at by everybody.

    Sucks to be the healer.

    EDIT: Oh, and Trevor died again, but by this point I don't think anyone's paying attention any more.

    what were you supposed to do instead?

    I am trying to have increased access to healing for F!TSoW. But my attempts are a bit clumsy. I have made rangers into a more witcher like "lets cut up the monster and make nutritious stews from it's vital organs! Mmm good!" Kinda healer/buffer, trying to see where that goes.


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    Erudite, you're a brave man for staying. I'd have walked.


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    Snow!!!

    ^5


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    The Vagrant Erudite wrote:
    NobodysHome wrote:

    Speaking of hopeless situations, it sucks to be the healer.

  • DPS purists scoff at the notion of healing in combat at all. "If you can't one-round it so it doesn't have a chance to do damage, you're not playing right."
  • Party members act as if your time and resources are infinite. "Oh, if I go there I'll be flanked by three dual-wielding NPCs who do precision damage? No worries! It's a tactically-advantageous position, and my healer can get me through it?"
  • If you do something offensive, people get offended.

  • Yeah, today we faced an undead BBEG. I had a high initiative, walked up, hit his touch AC with an 18 on the die, blew through his SR with a 19 on the die, and then his 6 on the die failed his Will save. 130 points later, BBEG never got an action in the round, nor did the low-initiative fighter of Gorum.

    Nuked the BBEG, got yelled at by everybody.

    Sucks to be the healer.

    EDIT: Oh, and Trevor died again, but by this point I don't think anyone's paying attention any more.

    I switched characters from a character I really enjoyed playing because of this. I had a half-elf spirit guide oracle who specialized in healing, nonlethal spells, and status removal. Our GM had this stupid "let's vote on MVP for the session and give him +10% xp" rule. Never won once - not when I removed the mass fear effect the bad boss hit everyone with that only I passed, not when I breath-of-life'd the nuker who then nuked the boss so we'd win, and not even when I wall-of-stone'd a boss into a chamber so there was no way in or out but a 1 inch square I left (and I proceeded to flood with create water), winning the fight in two rounds.

    No. Just the tank and the nuker wizard, because they did a lot of damage.

    Every. Game. The nuker wizard was two levels above the rest of us by the time I had my character leave. I told the GM it was that or I'd have him commit suicide by rushing...

    ...are you sure we dont know each other?


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    If my brothers pulled b#*!~@## when we played I never tried to kill myself off (my brothers learned from Gary Gygax himself, so I never had a chance anyway).

    Instead I tried to see how many of my party I could take down with me with my incompetence.


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    Just a Mort wrote:
    Like madness and magic old gods recipe I took out yogg souron for too much randomness, and took out the loot hoarders and spell slingers(I felt that it is not good to give opponent spells) and added in faceless summoner for board presence and arcane golem for late game push.

    Do the dungeon runs follow deck recipes? I mostly don't use the recipes -- yes, I have a strong inner Johnny -- so I don't know if dungeon run parcels follow familiar patterns. Building a good shaman deck has been pretty easy with the choices they provide.

    Spoiler:
    I feel ya on the randomness -- when I started playing HS there wasn't so much, and after playing MtG it was refreshing to have a game's RNG mostly limited to the luck of the draw. But of course more creeps in with each new expansion.


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    Holy carp, so good to have internet back!

    ... and now I'm leaving the house.

    >.>


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    Freehold DM wrote:
    captain yesterday wrote:
    Snow!!!
    ^5

    I thought you hated math. Or is it only math that can't be applied to snow, Winter, or Money?

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