Fey Bloosline Sorcerer
Fleeting Glance (Sp): At 9th level, you can turn invisible for a number of rounds per day equal to your sorcerer level. This ability functions as greater invisibility. These rounds need not be consecutive.
Illusionist Wizard
Invisibility Field (Sp): At 8th level, you can make yourself Invisible as a swift action for a number of rounds per day equal to your wizard level. These rounds do not need to be consecutive. This otherwise functions as greater invisibility.
Am I missing some fine print on the Sorcerer ability? Why is the wizard on a swift action, and the sorcerer on not?
It could be that the action cost is there to balance the bloodline against the school specialization.
A bloodline provides more benefits and abilities.
Or it could be an error, my fey bloodline gnome sorcerer would be very happy if it was the case.
It could be that the action cost is there to balance the bloodline against the school specialization.
A bloodline provides more benefits and abilities.Or it could be an error, my fey bloodline gnome sorcerer would be very happy if it was the case.
The thing is that even looking at the other wizard schools none of their stuff is this powerful
Greater invis as a swift action is the equivalent of a 8th level spell(Quickened Greater Invisibility).
Conjuration get dimension door as a standard action that doesn't provoke. A 4th level spell with a slight bonus.
Divination get permanent detect scrying, this is probably a 8th level spell, but it is a very niche spell with mostly non-combat applications.
Evocation gets wall of fire, a level 4 spell.
Necromancy gets a version of blindsight. Since it does not say, I believe it is a standard action to activate it. This makes it around a level 3 spell.
The thing is that most of the level 8 wizard abilities are some variant of level 3 or 4 spells. Illusion and Divination are outliers. Divination I can accept because it is a very niche ability. Illusion just seems way better than the rest.
Looking at it form this angle, it's true that the error could be in the illusion school part.
Too powerful for the level.
Now that you've called on it let's hope someone in Paizo will take notice and clarify this for us?
I don't think they should necessarily be compared on an ability-by-ability basis.
If you look at what they give you as an overall comparison, the Fey line gives you a /lot/ more than the Illusion school does.
The illusionist gets to memorize one extra spell per level.
They get Extended Illusions to make them last longer.
They get blinding ray
they get invisibility field.
Fey bloodline gets:
An extra skill.
Bonus feats.
Bonus spells /known/ (not just per day).
Five other special abilities.
Fey magic especially is very, very nice. (SR rerolls? yes please!)
I think overall the Fey comes out ahead, surely more than enough to forgive the Illusionist getting their invisibility as a swift action.
just my .02
-S
I don't think they should necessarily be compared on an ability-by-ability basis.
If you look at what they give you as an overall comparison, the Fey line gives you a /lot/ more than the Illusion school does.
The illusionist gets to memorize one extra spell per level.
They get Extended Illusions to make them last longer.
They get blinding ray
they get invisibility field.Fey bloodline gets:
An extra skill.
Bonus feats.
Bonus spells /known/ (not just per day).Five other special abilities.
Fey magic especially is very, very nice. (SR rerolls? yes please!)I think overall the Fey comes out ahead, surely more than enough to forgive the Illusionist getting their invisibility as a swift action.
just my .02
-S
Over 20 levels wizards get 5 bonus feats, sorcerers get 3 bloodline feats. Wizards get more feats, and they have a bigger list to choose from. I do not think sorcerers have the edge there.
My problem is even compared to other wizard schools, the illusionist seems out of line, a spell level 8 ability where most of the others are spell level 3 or 4.
My problem is even compared to other wizard schools, the illusionist seems out of line, a spell level 8 ability where most of the others are spell level 3 or 4.
No one else sees a problem here? Bump for opinions!!!
Huh, that is kind of interesting. I'd say either the Sorc needs swift added or Wizards need it changed to a standard action like Sorcs. Other then that difference they are identical.