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Howdy.
I really love the demon lords presented in Pathfinder #18, but I'm not running a Golarion based game at the moment. What I am doing is compiling and expanding on the material in Fiendish Codex 1 and the Demonomicon articles (and Book of Fiends and whatever else seems fun). So, I'm looking to integrate the Pathfinder demon lords back into the standard 3.5 era Abyss (and any Golarian gods that would logically dwell in the Abyss on the Great Wheel).
Heck, any ideas on integrating Pathfinder planar stuff back to the Great Wheel would be cool.
Here's some of the basic ideas:
* Abraxas (Pathfinder) is Abraxas (FC1) is Abraxas (Book of Fiends). Pleroma is another name for Death's Reward.
* I have absolutely no idea how to reconcile the very different versions of Aldinach in FC1 and Pathfinder #18. Maybe the FC1 version is what the Pathfinder version evolved into?
* Andirifkhu is Shaktari's daughter.
* By an interesting coincidence, parts of the names of Andir(ifkhu) and (Sifk)esh add up to the loumara lord Sifkhu, implying some sort of connection.
* Baphomet (Pathfinder) is Baphomet (FC1). The Ivory Labyrinth is another name for the Endless Maze.
* Cyth-V'sug is an obyrith (as are all the demon lords listed as qlippoths). Also, he is Zuggtmoy's father.
* Dagon (Pathfinder) is Dagon (FC1). Ishiar is another name for the Shadowsea.
* Deskari is the son of Abbadon (Book of Fiends), and thriving to replace him entirely.
* Flauros (Pathfinder) is Flauros (Book of Fiends).
* Haagenti (Pathfinder) is Haagenti (FC1) is Haagenti (Book of Fiends). Cerebulim, the Hermetic Horizon is another name for Garavond.
* Jezelda is the implacable enemy of Abyssal powers Eshebala and Daragor.
* Jubilex (Pathfinder) is Juiblex (FC1). The Undersump is a specific underground region of Shedaklah.
* Kostchtchie (Pathfinder) is Kostchtchie (FC1). Skyscar is another name for the Iron Wastes.
* The much, much cooler Pathfinder version of Lamashtu takes presidence over the imprisoned FC1 version. While she was at one point imprisoned in Torremor, Lamashtu escaped long ago and ascended to godhood. She actively wars with Pazuzu. She is a deadly rival of Yeenoghu.
* Mazmezz is Obox-ob's sister (broodmate?).
* Nocticula (Pathfinder) is Nocticula (FC1), but generally not Nocticula (Book of Fiends) save for some details. The Midnight Isles are the primary geographic feature of Darklight; Ablinikarn, the Evershifting Vale is the interior region of one the isles and the seat from which Nocticula rules. Like Shami-Amourae, Xinivrae, and Lynkhab, Nocticula is one of Malcanthet's rivals.
* Orcus (Pathfinder) is Orcus (FC1). Obviously.
* Pazuzu (Pathfinder) is Pazuzu (FC1). Shibaxet is a gigantic earthburg floating within Torremor.
* Shax (Pathfinder) is Shax (Book of Fiends).
* Socothbenoth (Pathfinder) is Socothbenoth (FC1) is Socothbenoth (Book of Fiends). He hates Graz'zt for rivaling his prowess as a seducer, but also secretly desires him.
* Zevgavizeb is the father of Laogzed, possibly with a lost female aspect of the World Serpent or other reptilian goddess.
* Zura wars with the vampire god Kanchelsis.
And here's some other thoughts on things Abyssal, including a few questions for Mr. Mona and/or Mr. Jacobs, if they have a moment.
* Ahrimanes is called Chief of the Cacodaemons in FC1. In the context of FC1 and 3.5 D&D what exactly is a cacodaemon?
* In the Demonomicon article in the final issue of Dragon Magazine, Ardat's entry makes no mention of her other area of concern - secret and failing marriages. Is there a particular reason for this? What lore might be added to Ardat's write-up to reflect this?
* Do all demon lords have an associated thrall prestige class?
* A description of Alrunes: Alrunes appears as a ghostly figure of an achingly beautiful elven woman, floating a foot or two off the ground, in the center of a cloud of mist. Her ears are exaggerated far beyond those of mortal elves, stretching to long, thin points a full 16 inches from base to tip. A complex rune is drawn upon her brow; more runes appear and disappear within the surrounding fog. Beneath her feet, the ground rolls and boils, as rocks thrust from the surface, new plants burst to life, and ghostly snakes crawl forth. The only color interupting the ghostly milk-white of Alrunes form are her eyes, which glow electric blue. Alrunes cradles a large, thick scroll in one arm. This decidedly unghostly item is Alrunes weapon, its seemingly endless length wrapping around foes or slicing them with razor-sharp edges, and also serves as a spellbook, containing all of Alrunes knowledge of magic, protections, runes, plant lore, the names of her cultist sisters, and many other secrets.
* A description of Cabiri: Cabiri appears as a moon-like orb floating high above the ground. Many eyes of various sizes and hues pock its nauseating orange surface, shifting aimlessly. A sonorous, many-toned voice issues from a puckered, lamprey-like mouth on one side of the globe.
* A description of Laraie: A shaggy green centaur with four arms and a back covered in porcupine quills. His head resembles a fleshy jack-o-lantern, glowing from within with eerie green light. He bears two mighty compound bows, one on each side, and a quiver of many-colored arrows. He leaves a trail of sizzling hoofprints in his wake, wisps of green vapor rising from them.
* Rhindor'zt, the Black Prince, is the father of Rhyxali and Graz'zt. His name is evidence ([Rhi]dor'zt for [Rhy]xali, and Rhidor['zt] for Graz['zt]). While the mating of Pale Night and Rhindor'zt alone brought Rhyxali into being, the birth of Graz'zt was somewhat different. Following the defeat of the Malgoth, Rhindor'zt retreated to Pale Night's embrace to recover. However, instead of tending to Rhindor'zt's wounds, Pale Night bound the Black Prince as a vessel for a vast darkness, an unknown and unfathomably powerful entity, that had come to sire Graz'zt upon the Mother of Demons. The terrible mating destroyed Rhindor'zt, and the son that was born of the betrayal stole the title of Black Prince as his own. (See the Demonomicon article for speculation on the nature of Graz'zt [i]true[\i] father.)
* A description of Volisupula: Volisupula appears as a flensed humanoid dressed in a long skirt of flayed skin. Each leg ends in a knot of snake tails that Volisupula slithers forward upon. Volisupula has a single breast on the left side of her chest, and her gut is slit open, a flensed serpent emerging from her gut. Trailing detached sleeves of flayed skin gird Volisupula's arms and his hands are four-fingered with long sharp claws. Volisupula's skinless face is fiendish, but largely human, with pure black orbs rolling wetly in her eyesockets. She bear six horns - two of a goat above her brow, two of a ram above where her ear would be, and two of an antelope from just behind the crown of her skull. The skinless tail of a snake extends from the nape of Volisupula's neck, long and lashing, edged with dagger-sharp rib bones. A crown of gold, platinum and silver, encrusted with many gems and wreathed in blue flame, floats above Volisupula's head. Volisupula wears dozens of necklaces, rings, bracelets, and other bits of jewelry, many of are magical in nature. [I choose to make Volisupula a hermaphrodite because FC1 lists Volisupula as the Flensed Marquesse (the feminine form of marquis), but does [i]not[\i] list her as one of the female demon lords.]
OK, I think that's everything for the moment. Hopefully some ideas about Pathfinder and the Abyss will get stirred up and maybe some questions answered.
Thanks,
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A problem (perhaps) with Shaktari: She was not born a Marilith but a human. If you're gonna make her another Marilith's mother you may want to consider how/why.
My stumbling block when I tried this was explaining both Pale Night and Lamashtu, the two mothers. I like them both and wanted them both in the Abyss.
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My stumbling block when I tried this was explaining both Pale Night and Lamashtu, the two mothers. I like them both and wanted them both in the Abyss.
-W. E. Ray
That's easy.
Pale Night's an obyrith/qlippoth. Lamashtu's a demon. They're both mother figures, but for different groups of Abyssal races.
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First off... this thread is great. I intentionally designed the Golarion demon lords to fit in smoothly with the Fiendish Codex demon lords, and since I took pains to make the FC1 demon lords fit in smoothly with Book of Fiends, it's all working as planned. It's great to see a thread that proves it, though!
The only thing I'd adjust is to say that Nocticula is in fact the same as Malcanthet... or at the very least, they're very close allies or very bitter enemies.
* In the Demonomicon article in the final issue of Dragon Magazine, Ardat's entry makes no mention of her other area of concern - secret and failing marriages. Is there a particular reason for this? What lore might be added to Ardat's write-up to reflect this?
This has a funny story behind it. It's all because of "The Simpsons." Long-time viewers of the show may remember the episode where Homer and Marge go on a "Troubled Marriage retreat" out next to a lake with fine fishing. In that episode, another couple was at the troubled marriage retreat, and that husband-wife team obviously hated each other. The husband has a pretty fun line: "She never cooks, she never cleans, she keeps a filthy house. She's the Queen of the Harpies! QUEEN OF THE HARPIES! QUEEN OF THE HARPIES! HERE'S YOUR CROWN, YOUR MAJESTY!!!"
And so when I came to deciding who and what Ardat was, and decided to make her the queen of the Harpies... giving her control over failed marriages seemed natural!
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Pale Night's an obyrith/qlippoth. Lamashtu's a demon. They're both mother figures, but for different groups of Abyssal races.
Absolutely, if my cosmology were the same as the published Great Wheel. But, well, I have The Abyss; I have The 9 Hells; I even have The Blood War. But there is no distinction between Devils and Demons.
To finally resolve my problem I made Lamashtu more a mother of hideous monsters/fiends and made Pale Night more a mother of dark but Romantically beautiful fiends: Juiblex to Graz'zt, for example.
I'm still not completely satisfied, yet, but I haven't had to deal with it in a campaign yet, either, so I can still really develop it.
-W. E. Ray
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CNichols wrote:
* The much, much cooler Pathfinder version of Lamashtu takes presidence over the imprisoned FC1 version. While she was at one point imprisoned in Torremor, Lamashtu escaped long ago and ascended to godhood. She actively wars with Pazuzu. She is a deadly rival of Yeenoghu.
I was going off the idea that Yeenoghu was the frist gnoll that Lamashtu gave birth to.
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Just woundering, are we going to be getting a Demonomicon for the Pathfinder Demon lords?
Yes...?
We are getting Pathfinder Chronicles: Princes of Darkness—Book of the Damned, Volume 1 which takes a look at the sinister, manipulative cruelties of Hell’s scions—the devils. So, I assume we'll get Volume 2 and Volume 3 to cover daemons and demons...
Here's hoping.
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Has anyone designed a really cool "Fire Giant" Demon Lord?
I really like Kostchtchie and want a like Demon for Fire Giants. But if Thrym ain't here then Surtur can't be here either. I've looked through the fluff I have -- more than once, hoping -- in vain.
-W. E. Ray
Flauros can serve as a Fire Giant demon lord if you want... but keep in mind the reason why there's not been a fire giant demon lord before this is that fire giants are lawful evil, not chaotic evil. They're far more likely to worship an Archdevil.
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Just woundering, are we going to be getting a Demonomicon for the Pathfinder Demon lords?
Not in name. The word "Demonomicon" belongs to Wizards of the Coast.
That said, keen-eyed readers will note that the "Book of the Damned" coming out in August is about devils, and it's also "Volume I." Chances of Volume II in the series being about demons seems to be pretty good...
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That said, keen-eyed readers will note that the "Book of the Damned" coming out in August is about devils, and it's also "Volume I." Chances of Volume II in the series being about demons seems to be pretty good...
You wouldn't go left to right in the alignment grid: LE > LN > CE ? I guess demons are more marketable than daemons. That lack of an extraneous a has to cut down on printing costs, too.
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Flauros can serve as a Fire Giant demon lord if you want... but keep in mind the reason why there's not been a fire giant demon lord before this is that fire giants are lawful evil
Oy yoy, yoy!
We're all the sudden on my two favorite fluff topics: Fiends and Alignments. I could go on forever.First, does anyone know anything on Flauros? Anything published except the name; any historical myths? . . . .
As far as Giants go, published material on Frost Giants seems to indicate a FAR more LAWFUL evil than CE. I guess the biggest examples in my head now are the Jarl in G2 who seems more Lawful and more obviously Gerti Orelsdotter from FR who clearly is Lawful.
I see Frost and Fire Giants both as LE. I see Kostchtchie as the CE Demon patron of the excommunicated, heretical Frost Giants. I'd love to have a similar thing for the Fire Giants.
-W. E. Ray
First off... this thread is great. I intentionally designed the Golarion demon lords to fit in smoothly with the Fiendish Codex demon lords, and since I took pains to make the FC1 demon lords fit in smoothly with Book of Fiends, it's all working as planned. It's great to see a thread that proves it, though!
It's very cool that you designed all three products to mesh together into a coherent whole. It really makes the Abyss a comprehensive, useable setting for the ambitious DM.
The only thing I'd adjust is to say that Nocticula is in fact the same as Malcanthet... or at the very least, they're very close allies or very bitter enemies.
They're given different entities in FC1 (although Nocticula's in the demon lord index and Malcanthet isn't; odd that...), so I'd like to stick with that. Personally, I'd make her a 'very bitter enemy,' because it gives another twist to "The Succubus War," one of the Continuing the Campaign options at the end of the Savage Tide.
* In the Demonomicon article in the final issue of Dragon Magazine, Ardat's entry makes no mention of her other area of concern - secret and failing marriages. Is there a particular reason for this? What lore might be added to Ardat's write-up to reflect this?This has a funny story behind it. It's all because of "The Simpsons." Long-time viewers of the show may remember the episode where Homer and Marge go on a "Troubled Marriage retreat" out next to a lake with fine fishing. In that episode, another couple was at the troubled marriage retreat, and that husband-wife team obviously hated each other. The husband has a pretty fun line: "She never cooks, she never cleans, she keeps a filthy house. She's the Queen of the Harpies! QUEEN OF THE HARPIES! QUEEN OF THE HARPIES! HERE'S YOUR CROWN, YOUR MAJESTY!!!"
And so when I came to deciding who and what Ardat was, and decided to make her the queen of the Harpies... giving her control over failed marriages seemed natural!
<laughs> :D That's awesome. It's always surprising what easter eggs get hidden in these books - hidden references to TV shows, movies, literature, comics. You name it, and some RPG probably has a reference to it somewhere.
So, let's add some lore to Ardat to reflect her other (highly amusing) area of influence.
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Ardat encourages her followers to promote marriages between star-crossed or ill-suited lovers, with clandestine unions officiated by one of the Queen of the Harpies' minion being the prefered goal. In fact, Ardat herself has entered many secret marriages over the millenia, all ending in disaster and betrayal for her foolish spouses. It was his marriage to Ardat that spelled the downfall of the demon lord Wejindhastala the Tempest in the wake of the battle against the Malgoth. Ardat is currently trying to ensnare Pazuzu in one of these marriages, planning to wed him, use him against Baphomet, and then betray him to whomever seems advantageous at the moment. Not being a fool, Pazuzu is well aware of Ardat's scheme.
Ardat's favored sacrifice in her cult's distinctive method is that of a happily married couple.
In addition to their harpy related abilities, Thralls of Ardat have powers of influence that help them broker disastrous marriages, including the ability to create love potions; arranging a seemingly advantageous arranged marriage between powerful political groups, merchant houses, or other powers that will end in tragedy is one of the greatest achievements a Thrall of Ardat can accomplish.
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Hopefully, that adds a bit more depth to Ardat, reflecting her Simpsonian area of concern. :)
Chris Nichols
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A problem (perhaps) with Shaktari: She was not born a Marilith but a human. If you're gonna make her another Marilith's mother you may want to consider how/why.
Hm... What was it written that Shaktari was once human? It's not in her Demonomicon section; perhaps it was in the original Dungeon adventure she appeared in (which I don't have)?
Anyhow, I figure Shaktari, once she became a demon lord, mated with another demon of some sort and spawned Andirifkhu. ...Actually, given the trap oriented nature of Andirifkhu, maybe Shaktari mated with Kurtulmak?
To finally resolve my problem I made Lamashtu more a mother of hideous monsters/fiends and made Pale Night more a mother of dark but Romantically beautiful fiends: Juiblex to Graz'zt, for example.
Not all of Graz'zt's siblings are romantic figures - look at Lupercio, Vucarik, or Zivorgian. James' explanation is very good - Pale Night is a obyrith, Lamashtu is a tanar'ri or untyped demon. Pale Night births obyriths and tanar'ri (and maybe untyped demons?). Lamashtu births tanar'ri and monsters such as chimera, hydras, gnolls, harpies, minotaurs, and so forth (and maybe untyped demons?).
First, does anyone know anything on Flauros? Anything published except the name; any historical myths? . . . .
Flauros has entries in Pathfinder #18 and the Book of Fiends. In real life, Flauros is one of the Goetic demons listed in the Key of Solomon. (Wikipedia link)
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I was going off the idea that Yeenoghu was the frist gnoll that Lamashtu gave birth to.
Oh, that's cool! And now Yeenoghu's succeeded at mostly usurping his mother's place as the gnoll's patron. I like the mother/son conflict dynamic.
The question now is, where does Gorellik fit into this. Also, does this mesh with the Yeenoghu Demonomicon that Wizards produced?
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They're given different entities in FC1 (although Nocticula's in the demon lord index and Malcanthet isn't; odd that...), so I'd like to stick with that. Personally, I'd make her a 'very bitter enemy,' because it gives another twist to "The Succubus War," one of the Continuing the Campaign options at the end of the Savage Tide.
I suspect that when whoever compiled the list of demons and Abyssal realms (this wasn't me), Malcanthet slipped through the cracks and got forgotten. Poor thing! Anyway, yeah, both Nocticula and Malcanthet are listed as separate creatures in the book, and making Nocticula a bitter enemy of Malcanthet is a good idea. There can never be too many succubi queens, I say!
As for thralls... there certainly could be separate thrall prestige classes for the various Golarion demon lords, but since that idea/mechanic/flavor is owned by WotC, we decided to go down a different route for these types of worshipers—the demonic initiate, which is a 5-level prestige class detailed in Pathfinder #15.
This thread is fascinating.
I am in process of compiling a Demon Lord list by mixing PF, FC and BoF. I am OH SO HAPPY that James took his time to ensure some compatilibity of the three !
I've got one of these worked up myself. If it isn't a problem, I'll post a simplified version listing just the demon lords, their areas of concern, and their Abyssal layers to the thread.
James, would that be OK?
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I was going off the idea that Yeenoghu was the frist gnoll that Lamashtu gave birth to.Oh, that's cool! And now Yeenoghu's succeeded at mostly usurping his mother's place as the gnoll's patron. I like the mother/son conflict dynamic.
The question now is, where does Gorellik fit into this. Also, does this mesh with the Yeenoghu Demonomicon that Wizards produced?
Chris Nichols
The Demonomicon article on Yeenoghu was the first one I didn't write, and I haven't read it so I can't vouch for how well it'll fit in with the rest. I suspect it'll need some work and changes, seeing how different the outer planes and demon flavor in general has changed with 4th edition.
In any event, for official Golarion stuff, pretty much everything that Yeenoghu covered in D&D is now covered by Lamashtu (for the gnoll side) and Kabriri (for the ghoul side).
A few other questions for Mr. Jacobs:
* Since you designed the Pathfinder demon lords to mesh with those in Fiendish Codex 1, why are the two versions of Aldinach so different? Well, obviously you couldn't use the version that Wizards actually owned, but Pathfinder's Aldinach isn't even vaguely similar. In makes merging that part of Pathfinder and FC1 problematic...
* Ahrimanes is called Chief of the Cacodaemons in FC1. In the context of FC1 and 3.5 D&D what exactly is a cacodaemon?
* As you explained, the Pathfinder demon lords don't have associated thrall classes, since that's Wizards' property. Instead, they have the demonic disciple PrC (unless enterprising DMs design thrall classes on their own). But for FC1, do those demon lords all have an associated thrall prestige class? I find it hard to imagine what a Thrall of Ugudenk (for example) might do, as the demon lord in question is rather mindless.
* Are all the Pathfinder and FC1 demon lords compatable with the thaumaturge class from Book of Fiends? Designing obediences for each demon lord would be quite fun.
* Was Volisupula supposed to be listed as a male or a female in FC1? Volisupula's title, 'Marquesse,' is feminine, but Volisupula isn't listed as female in the index (others, like Ardat, Barbu, Nocticula, and Rhyxali have an 'F' next to their name).
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This thread is fascinating.
I am in process of compiling a Demon Lord list by mixing PF, FC and BoF. I am OH SO HAPPY that James took his time to ensure some compatilibity of the three !
I've got one of these worked up myself. If it isn't a problem, I'll post a simplified version listing just the demon lords, their areas of concern, and their Abyssal layers to the thread.
James, would that be OK?
Chris Nichols
Go right ahead!
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* Since you designed the Pathfinder demon lords to mesh with those in Fiendish Codex 1, why are the two versions of Aldinach so different? Well, obviously you couldn't use the version that Wizards actually owned, but Pathfinder's Aldinach isn't even vaguely similar. In makes merging that part of Pathfinder and FC1 problematic...
The different Aldinaches aren't as completely different as you might think. In FC1, she's described as a demon lord of transformation, after all. Her Pathfinder incarnation obviously can't build upon the WotC intellectual property in FC1, but since she's associated with Transformation, it's easy enough to say that the version in Golarion is either her favored form there, or (my preference) is her ACTUAL form, and that in other worlds she shields her true form in various guises.
* Ahrimanes is called Chief of the Cacodaemons in FC1. In the context of FC1 and 3.5 D&D what exactly is a cacodaemon?
There are stats for cacodaemons in the Tome of Horrors. In a nutshell, they're just big tough daemons who work as soldiers and guardians.
* As you explained, the Pathfinder demon lords don't have associated thrall classes, since that's Wizards' property. Instead, they have the demonic disciple PrC (unless enterprising DMs design thrall classes on their own). But for FC1, do those demon lords all have an associated thrall prestige class? I find it hard to imagine what a Thrall of Ugudenk (for example) might do, as the demon lord in question is rather mindless.
I don't see a reason why there wouldn't be thralls for all of the demon lords, honestly. Even ones like Ugudenk, who's pretty hands-off on his approach to worshipers. A thrall of a demon lord like Ugudenk probably gains his powers and changes as much as a result of self-infliction and personal change as he does any sort of manipulation from the demon he worships.
* Are all the Pathfinder and FC1 demon lords compatable with the thaumaturge class from Book of Fiends? Designing obediences for each demon lord would be quite fun.
Yes. I actually originally intended for the demon lord article in PF 18 to list not only thaumaturge obediences for all of them, but also notes on clerics and notes on demonic initiates as well. Alas... there was no space. This information is still growing and refining, though, and when/if we do a demon "Book of the Damned," that info will appear there. If we stat up any thaumaturges in the meantime in an adventure, obediance info for their demon will appear early.
* Was Volisupula supposed to be listed as a male or a female in FC1? Volisupula's title, 'Marquesse,' is feminine, but Volisupula isn't listed as female in the index (others, like Ardat, Barbu, Nocticula, and Rhyxali have an 'F' next to their name).
Volisupula's a male demon lord with a female title. That's all I really know about him/her at this point, really, but for something as strange and alien as a demon lord, this type of "contradiction" is less a "contradiction" as it is an interesting personality quirk or seed ripe for development by a future author.
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(Where) was it written that Shaktari was once human? It's not in her Demonomicon section; perhaps it was in the original Dungeon adventure she appeared in?
Yes. In Dungeon 60(?) Chris Perkins wrote the amazing sequel to #55's "Umbra," "Nemesis," (I loved it more than "Umbra" though the first is the better adventure). Shaktari spurned a more powerful wizard's love for her so he turned her into a demon; she eventually became that powerful. It still seems to fit that she could have demon-spawn. Not only is there precedent in D&D for this kind of thing but also Shaktiri desperately needs to hide the secret that she was born mortal -- if her rival demon Lords found out. . . .
Not all of Graz'zt's siblings are romantic figures
Point made.
For me, since I've developed a much different cosmology than the published Great Wheel, I have to bend some things. If faced with this inconsistency I'd swap the spawn of Pale Knight with Lamashtu far more easily than rewriting/designing demon/obyrith/tanarri/etc. Obviously, sometimes when I'm writing on the Boards I forget the parts I've changed. Pardon me.Flauros has entries in Pathfinder #18 and the Book of Fiends. In real life, Flauros is one of the Goetic demons listed in the Key of Solomon. (Wikipedia link)
Jackpot; thanks.
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As for thralls... there certainly could be separate thrall prestige classes for the various Golarion demon lords,
I think there would HAVE to be PrCs or special Domains or such. These creatures rule their Planes with the power they get from souls who worship them, afterall. It seems that if you want to rule the 26th Layer of the Abyss you'd better have lots of souls coming your way before you could even try to bend the Layer to your Will/Vision -- let alone consolidate your power.
Certainly you don't need, as a DM, to come up with the mechanics for all these; just do the one you need to for the NPC you're designing now and cross the next bridge when you come to it.
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I find it hard to imagine what a Thrall of Ugudenk (for example) might do, as the demon lord in question is rather mindless.
We have a PrC for characters who study the Far Realms. An Alienist actually LOSES WIS as he/she advances. I dunno, I don't think it's too difficult to imagine a "mindless religilous fanatic."
Oh, you also asked about gender, how 'bout this -- Glasya, Asmodeus's daughter -- is actually a dude in real myth. I still can't get over this one: Glasya is a guy!
So, anyway, there is precedent in D&D to swap genders for the fiends.
Or how 'bout this, Baphomet should much more be a devil, considering he is "the devil" -- like, "Mephistopheles," just a Christian "play on words" with "Mohammed"
-W. E. Ray
Anyways don't even joke about not doing a Book about the demons James. I might just have to come up their and bring my whip and you wouldn't want that.
Then again, considering the write-ups he's done of Malcanthet and Nocticula, he might... ;-)
Dude, even without the write-ups and artwork for Malcanthet, who wouldn't?!?
I don't know enough about James to answer for him, but IMO it would depend on the individual's personal life. I know if I were already in a serious relationship, my response would be "Sorry, I'm taken. Thanks for the offer, though."
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Anyways don't even joke about not doing a Book about the demons James. I might just have to come up their and bring my whip and you wouldn't want that.Then again, considering the write-ups he's done of Malcanthet and Nocticula, he might... ;-)
Don't forget all those shenanigans that succubi got up to in the last few installments of Savage Tide!
...mmm... shenanigans...
(Where) was it written that Shaktari was once human? It's not in her Demonomicon section; perhaps it was in the original Dungeon adventure she appeared in?Yes. In Dungeon 60(?) Chris Perkins wrote the amazing sequel to #55's "Umbra," "Nemesis," (I loved it more than "Umbra" though the first is the better adventure). Shaktari spurned a more powerful wizard's love for her so he turned her into a demon; she eventually became that powerful. It still seems to fit that she could have demon-spawn. Not only is there precedent in D&D for this kind of thing but also Shaktiri desperately needs to hide the secret that she was born mortal -- if her rival demon Lords found out. . . .
Looking back over 'Nemesis,' it turns out that it was Kaliva, one of Shaktari's lieutenants and the main antagonist of the adventure, who was originally a mortal, not Shaktari.
On the other hand, the adventure mentions two minor demon lords (or at least unique demons) that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere.
Uxali, Shaktari's consort, is described as a (presumably gigantic) five-headed serpent. The statue of Uxali that the players encounter has different colored eyes in each head - blue, purple, green, red, and black.
Dhanazar is Shaktari's seneschal. The statue of Dhanazar that the players encounter appears as a horned humanoid with fangs, a whip-like tail and seven elongated fingers on each hand.
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(Where) was it written that Shaktari was once human? It's not in her Demonomicon section; perhaps it was in the original Dungeon adventure she appeared in?Yes. In Dungeon 60(?) Chris Perkins wrote the amazing sequel to #55's "Umbra," "Nemesis," (I loved it more than "Umbra" though the first is the better adventure). Shaktari spurned a more powerful wizard's love for her so he turned her into a demon; she eventually became that powerful. It still seems to fit that she could have demon-spawn. Not only is there precedent in D&D for this kind of thing but also Shaktiri desperately needs to hide the secret that she was born mortal -- if her rival demon Lords found out. . . .Looking back over 'Nemesis,' it turns out that it was Kaliva, one of Shaktari's lieutenants and the main antagonist of the adventure, who was originally a mortal, not Shaktari.
On the other hand, the adventure mentions two minor demon lords (or at least unique demons) that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere.
Uxali, Shaktari's consort, is described as a (presumably gigantic) five-headed serpent. The statue of Uxali that the players encounter has different colored eyes in each head - blue, purple, green, red, and black.
Dhanazar is Shaktari's seneschal. The statue of Dhanazar that the players encounter appears as a horned humanoid with fangs, a whip-like tail and seven elongated fingers on each hand.
Chris Nichols
I would certainly qualify both of those as merely unique demons, or perhaps as nascent demon lords; in time and with luck they might make the jump to full-fledged demon lord status but they're not there yet.
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Go right ahead!
I've got one of these worked up myself. If it isn't a problem, I'll post a simplified version listing just the demon lords, their areas of concern, and their Abyssal layers to the thread.James, would that be OK?
Chris Nichols
Cool! I'll post these in blocks of ten, just to make things easier for myself. Here we go...
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Demon Lord / Areas of Concern / Layer / Sources
Abbadon / anarchy, locusts, havoc, famine / The Bottomless Pit / Book of Fiends
* Abbadon is the father of Deskari, who is striving to replace Abbadon. Possibly, the Bottomless Pit is the Grand Abyss (Layer 4) or a part of it.
Abraxas / magic, forbidden lore (Pf 18); magic words, arcane secrets, talismans (FC1); magic, occult lore, dangerous secrets (BoF) / Pleroma (Pf 18, BoF); Death's Reward (17) (FC1) / Pathfinder 18, Fiendish Codex 1, Book of Fiends, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Abraxas is covered extensively in Pathfinder 18 and the rest of the Second Darkness Adventure Path, as well as in Book of Fiends. Presumably there will be further detail in the second Book of the Damned. Pleroma is probably another name for Death's Reward (Layer 17) (or the name of a major geographical feature therein).
Adimarchus / insanity / Occipitus (507) / Fiendish Codex 1, Shackled City Adventure Path (Dungeon #116)
* Fallen celestial; probably dead following the events of the Shackled City Adventure Path.
Ahazu / night, abduction / The Wells of Darkness (73) / Fiendish Codex 1, Savage Tide Adventure Path (Dungeon #148), Book of Fiends, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Vestige; see also the 'Ahazu Ascendant' Continuing the Campaign option for the Savage Tide Adventure Path in Dungeon #150
Ahrimanes / wanderers, exiles / Ahriman-abad (452) / Fiendish Codex 1, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Apparently Ahrimanes was mentioned in some articles for Dragon Magazine by Gary Nolian and listed as a female there in; I don't have access to these at the moment
Aldinach / sand, scorpions (Pf 18); transformation (FC1) / Sea of Whispering Sands (Pf 18); Pazunia (1) / Pathfinder 18, Fiendish Codex 1, Book of Fiends, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Differing versions appear in Pathfinder 18 and Fiendish Codex 1. See discussion in the thread above.
Alrunes / protection, sisterhood / - / Fiendish Codex 1, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* There's very little information on Alrunes, so there's lots of room for development here. (See above for a possible description of Alrunes.)
Alvarez / inquisition, torture / Torturous Truth (57) / Fiendish Codex 1, Faces of Evil
* If they aren't actually the same being, Alvarez and Azidahaka (Book of Fiends) are certainly implacable enemies, each accusing the other of harboring lawful tendencies.
Alzrius / fire, destruction / Conflagratum (601) / Fiendish Codex 1, Hellbound, Polyhedron #135, Dragon #270 (possibly)
* Alzrius seems like a demon lord that's ripe for further development. For instance, what is his relationship with other fire related demon lords like Flauros and Kardum? Or with cold related lords like Kostchtchie and Aseroth?
Anarazel / adventurers (FC1); fear, bravery, material wealth, adventurers (BoF) / The Emessu Tunnels (79) (FC1); The Caves of Chaos (BoF) / Fiendish Codex 1, Book of Fiends, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* It might be interesting to develop NPC adventurers and adventuring bands sponsored by Anarazel. The Caves of Chaos is probably another name for the Emessu Tunnels. (What does Emessu mean?)
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Of course, all of these demon lords could use a full Demonomicon style write-up, with information on stats (possibly using the demon lord template from Dragon #359), appearances, goals, cults, minions, and realms, including thrall PrCs, demonic initiate info, and thaumaturge obediences (for those who don't have them from Book of Fiends).
Lots of stuff for enterprising DMs to develop!
Chris Nichols
The Demonomicon article on Yeenoghu was the first one I didn't write, and I haven't read it so I can't vouch for how well it'll fit in with the rest. I suspect it'll need some work and changes, seeing how different the outer planes and demon flavor in general has changed with 4th edition.In any event, for official Golarion stuff, pretty much everything that Yeenoghu covered in D&D is now covered by Lamashtu (for the gnoll side) and Kabriri (for the ghoul side).
Yeah, I'm extremely disappointed with the treatment of all things planar in 4e. The new Demonomicons just aren't anywhere near as good as the ones you wrote in Dragon, James. But there's no reason not to steal the bits that can be worked back into the 3.5/Pathfinder paradigm.
For Golarion based games, I agree that Yeenoghu's not very useful - Lamashtu covers most of his territory, with Kabriri handling the rest. But for people porting Pathfinder stuff back to the Great Wheel, there's no reason not to use all three (I personally like my planar stuff to incorporate as many sources as possible).
A thought - is Kabriri an alias for Doresain? I'm partial to the Abyss having lots of squabbling beings with over-lapping areas of concern, but DMs who want to simplify things could easily combine to the two. In that scenario, Everglut would be the capital of the White Kingdom (layer 421).
Chris Nichols
The different Aldinaches aren't as completely different as you might think. In FC1, she's described as a demon lord of transformation, after all. Her Pathfinder incarnation obviously can't build upon the WotC intellectual property in FC1, but since she's associated with Transformation, it's easy enough to say that the version in Golarion is either her favored form there, or (my preference) is her ACTUAL form, and that in other worlds she shields her true form in various guises.
Hmm... So, Aldinach was originally just Golarion's demon lord of sand and scorpions, but sometime after she stole the Sea of Whispering Sands from Areshkagal, she decided to expand her areas of interest to include transformation. In this new aspect, she established her presence on the plain of Pazunia and has been expanding her influence into other worlds since then, transforming herself into a different form on each world.
Does that sound about right?
* Ahrimanes is called Chief of the Cacodaemons in FC1. In the context of FC1 and 3.5 D&D what exactly is a cacodaemon?There are stats for cacodaemons in the Tome of Horrors. In a nutshell, they're just big tough daemons who work as soldiers and guardians.
Aren't they affiliated with the yugoloths/daemons though?
If they aren't affiliated with yugoloths/daemons, but are just a seperate race of fiends that happen to dwell in Gehenna/Hades, I guess they could have a cheiftain that's CE, while the individual cacodaemons are NE.
Or, Ahrimanes could be a powerful cacodaemons that rebelled against his yugoloth/daemon masters, eventually evolving into a demon lord.
Also, in the Book of Fiends, there's a daemon named Ahrimanes. Is this intended to be the Ahrimanes in Fiendish Codex 1?
I don't see a reason why there wouldn't be thralls for all of the demon lords, honestly. Even ones like Ugudenk, who's pretty hands-off on his approach to worshipers. A thrall of a demon lord like Ugudenk probably gains his powers and changes as much as a result of self-infliction and personal change as he does any sort of manipulation from the demon he worships.
Cool. I can see a thrall of Ugudenk that willing infests himself with worms and parasites that give him certain benefits while feast on his flesh (like the gutworm fiendish symbiont from Fiend Folio).
Yes. I actually originally intended for the demon lord article in PF 18 to list not only thaumaturge obediences for all of them, but also notes on clerics and notes on demonic initiates as well. Alas... there was no space. This information is still growing and refining, though, and when/if we do a demon "Book of the Damned," that info will appear there. If we stat up any thaumaturges in the meantime in an adventure, obediance info for their demon will appear early.
Yes, it's often hard to squeeze in all the cool stuff you'd like when you've got a tight word count on an article or book. I'll be very interested to see what the 'Book of the Damned' for demons looks like (hopefully, there'll be more information on the Abyssal realms; I love new Abyssal locations). I'll be interested to see who is assigned as the writer(s).
Volisupula's a male demon lord with a female title. That's all I really know about him/her at this point, really, but for something as strange and alien as a demon lord, this type of "contradiction" is less a "contradiction" as it is an interesting personality quirk or seed ripe for development by a future author.
Based on this, I made Volisupula a hermaphrodite in my description above. I was just wondering if there was some sort of secret reasoning beside it (like Ardat's secret Simpsons connection).
Thanks!
Chris Nichols
I would certainly qualify both of those as merely unique demons, or perhaps as nascent demon lords; in time and with luck they might make the jump to full-fledged demon lord status but they're not there yet.
On the other hand, the adventure mentions two minor demon lords (or at least unique demons) that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere.Uxali, Shaktari's consort, is described as a (presumably gigantic) five-headed serpent. The statue of Uxali that the players encounter has different colored eyes in each head - blue, purple, green, red, and black.
Dhanazar is Shaktari's seneschal. The statue of Dhanazar that the players encounter appears as a horned humanoid with fangs, a whip-like tail and seven elongated fingers on each hand.
Chris Nichols
So they're something like Treerazer (Pathfinder), or Arendagrost (Savage Tide Adventure Path), or Dalmosh (Monster Manual V), or Cresil, Eurynomus, Malohin, Merihim, Philotanus, and Rahu (Book of Fiends)?
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A thought - is Kabriri an alias for Doresain? I'm partial to the Abyss having lots of squabbling beings with over-lapping areas of concern, but DMs who want to simplify things could easily combine to the two. In that scenario, Everglut would be the capital of the White Kingdom (layer 421).Chris Nichols
Kabriri is an excellent stand-in/replacement/alias for Doressain.
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Hmm... So, Aldinach was originally just Golarion's demon lord of sand and scorpions, but sometime after she stole the Sea of Whispering Sands from Areshkagal, she decided to expand her areas of interest to include transformation. In this new aspect, she established her presence on the plain of Pazunia and has been expanding her influence into other worlds since then, transforming herself into a different form on each world.
Does that sound about right?
That works!
Aren't they affiliated with the yugoloths/daemons though?
If they aren't affiliated with yugoloths/daemons, but are just a seperate race of fiends that happen to dwell in Gehenna/Hades, I guess they could have a cheiftain that's CE, while the individual cacodaemons are NE.
Cacodaemons are indeed daemons, but that doesn't mean they can't mix it up with demons. There's no blood war to speak of in Golarion, so the three categories of fiend can intermingle with more frequency, especially with daemons.
Also, in the Book of Fiends, there's a daemon named Ahrimanes. Is this intended to be the Ahrimanes in Fiendish Codex 1?
Nope; in some cases, the fiends in FC1 don't match up quite nicely with those in Book of Fiends. Dagon's another good example; in FC1 (and in Golarion) he's an ancient demon lord, but in Book of Fiends he's a devil. In cases like this, the best solution is to just go with the version you personally prefer.
Yes, it's often hard to squeeze in all the cool stuff you'd like when you've got a tight word count on an article or book. I'll be very interested to see what the 'Book of the Damned' for demons looks like (hopefully, there'll be more information on the Abyssal realms; I love new Abyssal locations). I'll be interested to see who is assigned as the writer(s).
A demon-themed Book of the Damned is still quite a bit in the future, so there's no hard and fast things to say about it yet though. Although I'm pretty sure I'll be greedy and keep its authorship to myself... which means I have to time it for a time when I'm not super busy with other projects.
wierd question.... I see Malcanthet pop up in these conversations and I have to ask, is she OGL or closed content?
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wierd question.... I see Malcanthet pop up in these conversations and I have to ask, is she OGL or closed content?
Malcanthet was created by Rob Kuntz in Dungeon #112's "Maure Castle," and I did the majority of the work developing her character in Savage Tide, the Demonomicion, FC1, and Rob developed her more in the Maure Castle sequels in Dungeon. All of that was under WotC, alas, so she's closed content. Since she's not based on a real-world myth, she's not public domian either (as is the case of Demogorgon, Orcus, Pazuzu, and many other demon lords).
Which is the primary reason we turned Nocticula into the queen of the succubi in Golarion, rather than continue using Malcanthet.
Here's today's selection of ten demon lords from Pathfinder, Fiendish Codex 1, the Demonomicon articles, Book of Fiends, and similar sources.
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Demon Lord / Areas of Concern / Layer / Sources
Andirifkhu / traps, knives / The Vault of Ten Thousand Deaths / Pathfinder 18
* As suggested above, Andirifkhu may be the daughter of Shaktari and Kurtulmak. Also, the Vault of Ten Thousand Deaths is an incredibly cool name and concept for an Abyssal layer.
Angazhan / apes, jungles / Ahvoth-Kor / Pathfinder 18
* Also, I think there was a Pathfinder miniatures adventure about Angazhan which I don't have. Ahvoth-Kor is probably, in the loose planar geography that governs Abyssal layers, close to Spirac (Layer 71), Smaragd (Layer 74), Gaping Maw (Layer 88) and the Guttering Grove (Layer 90).
Ansitif / corruption of religious sites and relics / The Wells of Darkness (73) (previously ruled the Sixth Pyre (21)) / Fiendish Codex 1, Dragon #357, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Vestige; dead/imprisoned
Ardat / secret or failing marriages, harpies / - / Fiendish Codex 1, Dragon #359, Dragon #341, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Discussed above in this thread.
Areex / unknown / The Wells of Darkness (73) / Fiendish Codex 1, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Dead/imprisoned; has some sort of connection to the elder evil Bolothamogg; based on this I suggest his area of concern be the night sky and foolhardy exploration.
Arendagrost / - / Gaping Maw (88) / Savage Tide Adventure Path (Dungeon #150), Dragon #290
* Not actually a demon lord, but worth noting as a powerful unique demon; son of Demogorgon and Malcanthet.
Areshkagal / portals, riddles / The Blood Clefts / Pathfinder 18
* Possibly the same as Ereshkigal from Monster Manual II (1st ed); there is also a Babylonian goddess of the same name, detailed in Dragon #329 (and possibly elsewhere).
Arlgolchier / - / The Wells of Darkness (73) / Dragon #116, Dungeon #148
* Dead/imprisoned; killed by several of the high mages of Toril; based on the articles, I'd make his areas of concern gems, greed, and hubris.
Arzial / subterfuge / Azzagrat (45, 46, 47) / Fiendish Codex 1, Dungeon #13, Wizards website (Demonomicon of Iggwilv: Graz'zt)
* Serves and is the son of Graz'zt; apparently quite weak for a demon lord; the Demonomicon article lists him as only a CE male human half-fiend wizard 13.
Aseroth / cold, ice / Soulfreeze (566) / Fiendish Codex 1, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* As Soulfreeze connects to the Paraelemental Plane of Ice, Aseroth and Cryonax are probably allies. Aseroth's stats should reflect several levels of warlock, in keeping with his title 'the Winter Warlock'; levels of forst mage (Frostburn) would also be appropriate.
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As before, all of these demon lords could use a full Demonomicon style write-up, with information on stats (possibly using the demon lord template from Dragon #359), appearances, goals, cults, minions, and realms, including thrall PrCs, demonic initiate info, and thaumaturge obediences.
Any thoughts or comments? New original material on these demon lords (C'mon Paizoites! Design and contribute!)
Next time, Asima, Astaroth, Azael, Azazel, Azidahaka, Azuvidexus, Baltazo, Baphomet, Barbu, and Bayemon!
Chris Nichols
Ansitif / corruption of religious sites and relics / The Wells of Darkness (73) (previously ruled the Sixth Pyre (21)) / Fiendish Codex 1, Dragon #357, Monster Manual II (1st ed)* Vestige; dead/imprisoned
By the way, James - I have a question about Ansitif and another question about the Wells of Darkness.
First, in the Demonomicon article on Graz'zt, you give Ansitif the new title 'Ansitif of the Shining Void.' What is the significance of this? What is the Shining Void?
Second, do all the prisoners of the Wells of Darkness function as vestiges? Ahazu, Ansitif, Astaroth, and Cabiri are all vestiges in their imprisoned and/or dead state, so perhaps the other entities bound within Shattered Night act as vestiges as well?
Also, is there any lore about the other demon lord who helped Ansitif defeat the Malgoth (Cyndshyra, Felix'ja, Ixinix, Qij-na, Rhindor'zt, and Wejindhastala)? Actually, I ought to track down Eric Boyd and ask him, since he wrote the article they appear in.
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First, in the Demonomicon article on Graz'zt, you give Ansitif the new title 'Ansitif of the Shining Void.' What is the significance of this? What is the Shining Void?
One thing I made sure to do in every Demonomicon is to plant seeds for future writers. A Demonomicon pulls back the curtain on a demon lord and gives a LOT of info about him/her, and so it's important to put in new hints and intriguing references and strange names to spur further development in the future. The Shining Void is one such thing; I'm not sure what it is, but it's probably some sort of scary brightly lit gulf of space. The name itself was inspired, in part, by Lovecraft and Call of Cthulhu adventures—it's sort of a mix between Lovecraft's "shining trapezohedron" form "The Haunter of the Dark" and the outer void (which is deep space).
Second, do all the prisoners of the Wells of Darkness function as vestiges? Ahazu, Ansitif, Astaroth, and Cabiri are all vestiges in their imprisoned and/or dead state, so perhaps the other entities bound within Shattered Night act as vestiges as well?
I suspect that all of them could have vestiges. We did a fair amount with them in Dungeon #148 and the associated Dragon issue.
Also, is there any lore about the other demon lord who helped Ansitif defeat the Malgoth (Cyndshyra, Felix'ja, Ixinix, Qij-na, Rhindor'zt, and Wejindhastala)? Actually, I ought to track down Eric Boyd and ask him, since he wrote the article they appear in.
The Malgoth was the main bad guy of a series of three adventures that appeared in Dungeon over issues #117–#119, written by Greg A. Vaughan. These adventures comprised the "Shadow over Istivin" arc, but they don't speak much about the seven demon lords who originally defeated it. I can't remember if those names were invented by Greg, Eric, or me, honestly, but I'm pretty sure that there's not much more written about them than what appears in "Shadow Over Istivin," "Fiendish Codex 1" and "Wells of Darkness."
Ten more demon lords!
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Demon Lord / Areas of Concern / Layer / Sources
Asima / ill surprises / The Grand Abyss (4) / Fiendish Codex 1, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Obyrith/qlippoth; dead; somewhere back before the Wizards forums were eaten by Gleemax and well before Fiendish Codex 1, I'd done a write-up of Asima as demon lord of usurpation, rebellion, and poor governance - it's now lost to the ages.
Astaroth / prophecy (FC1); liberal sciences, knowledge, learning, memory (BoF) / The Wells of Darkness (73) (Dragon #357); The Terminal Archive (BoF) / Fiendish Codex 1, Dragon #357, Book of Fiends, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Vestige; dead/imprisoned; Gargauth, the devil lord who killed Astaroth, now uses the name as an alias; there is also another vestige named Astaroth, a fallen angel called 'the Unjustly Fallen'
Azael / rebellion, war / Yeenoghu's Realm (422) / Fiendish Codex 1, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Fallen celestial; dead; during Azael's reign, the 422nd layer of the Abyss was called The Savage Searing; a palrethee named Azael appears Dungeon #147 - this may be the last, lost, amnesiac remnant of the demon lord, flung into the depths of the Abyss long ago, and now a captive of Orcus.
Azazel / blame, absolution (FC1); scapegoats, the betrayed, pestilence, revenge (BoF) / Outcasts' End (137) (FC1); Maldinach, the Desert of Broken Dreams / Fiendish Codex 1, Book of Fiends, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Few other demon lords like Azazel - he is one of their favorite scapegoats to blame Blood War losses on.
Azidahaka / torture, truth, lies / Sraosha / Book of Fiends
* See the note on Alvarez above.
Azuvidexus / primeval beasts and scaled nightmares / N'gharl, the Crawling Jungle / Wizards website (The Crawling Jungle articles), Dragon #357
* Detailed extensively in the Crawling Jungle articles on the Wizards site.
Baltazo / diplomacy, strategy / Pazunia (1) / Fiendish Codex 1, Book of Fiends, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* When I was a young D&D player, I used Baltazo as the demon lord worshipped by ropers; he appeared as a cross between a roper and a handsome cyclops.
Baphomet / labyrinths, beasts (Pf 18); minotaurs, beasts (FC1); guardians, minotaurs (BoF) / The Ivory Labyrinth (Pf 18); The Endless Maze (600) / Pathfinder 18, Fiendish Codex 1, Dragon #341, Book of Fiends, Tome of Horrors, Monster Manual II (1st ed), On Hallowed Ground, Faces of Evil, Manual of the Planes (1st ed), Monster Mythology, Wizards website (Demonomicon of Iggwilv: Baphomet, online Dragon #369)
* There's probably other sources on Baphomet that I didn't list.
Barbu / discord, ruined peace / - / Fiendish Codex 1, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Nobody likes Barbu - she destroys useful alliances and is an inveterate thief.
Bayemon / the afflicted / - / Fiendish Codex 1, Monster Manual II (1st ed)
* Bayemon's infamous 'unhealing wound' is actually many wounds, notably his rent gut, which spills forth coils of intestine, and his severed head, which he carries in the crook of one arm.
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Thoughts and comments? I'll try posting some full descriptions of demon lord appearances soon, plus more (invented) lore.
Next time, we'll have Bechard, Behemoth, Beluiri, Cabiri, Charun, Chernovog, Cresil, Cyndshyra, Cyth-V'sug, and Dagon!
Chris Nichols