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Javell DeLeon wrote:
Not to toot my own horn, but Monk Unfettered is my base for monks now. It lends itself to people that want to emphasize the "monk" aspect and less the "brawler" aspect of the monk class.
(Site note: and Raving Nerd's starting stats on his monk are a viable build option for the unfettered monk.)
Thanks Doppelschwert :) - I've recently realized my scaling for the game was off by a long shot. Since I am quite new to the card game I figured I'd have a look at what the "high end" looks like that a character would face. Not knowing the differences in the various games I found and used Pazuzu as my end-game villain around which I designed. I realize now that there is a lot more power in the Wrath of the Rigtheous card adventure; but at the time I assumed that "this" is what a character should be able to face in the end.
Don't worry I don't take it as negative criticism at all. I'll let you know via private message when I have my second character ready - I think I've learnt a lot already and I'm pretty excited for designing more.
Thanks Doppelschwert :)
The Sensei already buffs other characters, his third ability applies "to any check" (staying true to the original Sensei was a conscious design decision).
I agree with your assessment about the power-level of the main ability (I've been in discussion with somebody who is more knowledgeable than I on the subject matter) - the text has changed to "display" on the graphic links and the ability to bury cards to recover blessings has been downsized a lot. It should be fairly hard to get multiple blessings of each turn without repercussions now.
The intention is where (original) Sajan gets great dice to *one* combat check *each* turn; Mikiko should get good dice to *all* checks in *some* turns.
Unfortunately I cannot update the original text in the opening post, but you can see the updates in the links.
I've gotten hold of the Pathfinder Adventures digital game by Obsidian, which introduced me to the awesome world of the Pathfinder Card Game. Naturally the designer in me itched to create something; and since "monks" are my thing, I'd like you all to meet Mikiko.
Unfortunately I do not know how to make drivethrucards show a sensibly rotated version (or both sides of the card); so I'll take any advice in that regard. Her two roles are Ki Mystic and Sensei. The art comes from my monk PDF Monk Unfettered and was commissioned by me, so there should not be any rights violations. Let me know what you think :)
Str 1d8 [+1/+2/+3]
Dex 1d8 [+1/+2/+3] acrobatics +2
Con 1d8 [+1/+2/+3]
Int 1d6 [+1/+2]
Wis 1d8 [+1/+2/+3] perception +2
Cha 1d6 [+1]
Hand size 4 
At any time you may reveal any number of blessings. Until the end of your turn, on each check, each currently revealed blessing applies to the check (as if it was played for the check). At the end of your turn discard all revealed blessings. ([ ] Additionally you may add the Magic trait to any check you make.)
Mikiko, Ki Mystic:
Reduce all damage you take by  ([ ] or the number of currently revealed blessings).
[ ] Once a turn you may recharge a card from your hand and draw a card
Each revealed blessing adds [+1] [+2] to your checks
[ ] You may add your Wisdom to your combat checks
[ ] When you succeed at a combat check against a bane you gain +1d4 on additional checks against that bane until the end of your turn
Each revealed blessing adds [+1] [+2] [+3] to any check
Yes-and-no: to my knowledge they won't bother with APs that have been unpopular. (Keep in mind that the paperbacks have been replenished in the cases of some very popular APs.) I don't think it's a valid argument that (the vast majority of) people would be willing to wait 6 years on the suspicion of an eventual hardcover for a campaign that they are keen to play.
Additionally some APs might not lend themselves so well to hardcover, if the relevant special material already has been given hardcover treatment. For example, Kingmaker was a great success for Paizo - but given that they did Ultimate Campaign already they might not feel as strongly on making a Kingmaker hardcover. Hard to predict.
All that said, I like that they take the opportunity to improve on the original. Rise of the Runelords was pre-Pathfinder, so the update was significant and very helpful. Other older APs might already be Pathfinder-based, but even they can benefit from "new developments" like the addition of concepts/classes from new material. (I imagine not everyone would be as keen, but I *like* the idea of having a bit of material from Mythic Adventures, Occult Adventures, Ultimate Campaign/Combat/Magic/Intrigue, etc added into old APs.)
Just a heads-up for people looking for cool campaigns: unexpectedly Hell's Rebels has been turning into an absolute gem for us. A friend of mine is running it and its been amazing for us. Noteworthy is that *a lot* of encounters that would normally be combat encounters can be solved socially - and the Charisma stat is really relevant for the AP.
Currently we're just about finished with book 2 (and have already done parts of book 3).
Hi Malwing :)
Thanks for taking the time to review Monk Unfettered.
As you rightly point out, the sheer volume of insights of the unfettered monk can be quite overwhelming - so it can be easy to miss options and interactions (that is one of the reasons I've included an extensive insight reference at the end, so it is easier to see what insights are available, what is required for each insight, and what insights become potentially available by taking a particular insight.
Here I'd like to point to some things you may have missed:
"On the down side, I think this is the worst monk at maneuvers I've seen."
1. One of the insights, "maneuver training" allows the monk to take any Improved maneuver feat without meeting the prerequisites (and the monk can take this insight multiple times); so access to any maneuver is assured.
2. The insight "aspect of the monkey" allows the monk to use his monk level instead of his BAB for maneuvers; so when you perform a maneuver (including during flurries) you effectively do as a full-BAB class. That also means that at level 20 you can do a flurry with maneuvers using +20/+20/+20/+20/+20/+20 (before other considerations).
3. The deep insight "maneuver flurry" essentially duplicates the Maneuver Master archetype; and allows you to perform any maneuver in addition to a flurry (including things such as grapples and dirty tricks).
4. The deep insight "embrace the cycle" allows you to always be considered flurrying; together with "maneuver flurry" that means that you can always perform a maneuver in your round - even when you do something like drink a potion, use the withdraw action, cast a spell with a 10-round casting time, and so forth.
"But I feel like I've seen better in terms of solving the Monk's problems."
I'm not sure which problems you specifically refer to, but the monk mobility-vs-flurry issues is extensively addressed. The unfettered monk also has excellent damage potential if built that way, likewise he has great versatility.
"Also some abilities I stumble on because of a lack of rules language."
Unfortunately I do not know what rules language you're missing, please elaborate - I do update the PDF and such clarifications can and will benefit all.
"the Unchained Monk is more devastating due to it's access to Flying Kick"
On a mechanical level, you can consider the unchained monk's Style Strikes to be the equivalent of the unfettered monk's deep insights. Regarding Flying Kick - the deep insight "monkey foot" is better in all ways: more movement, you're not limited to where you move (no attack necessary), you're not limited to a "kick" attack, and the monk can take it earlier (though it isn't necessarily helpful until level 4, or when the monk has insights that grant him additional attacks such as "bane flurry" or "storm spirit"). This does not take into consideration other mobility-based solutions that the unfettered monk has access to.
"This does depend on how Flurry interacts with Pummeling Style. If Pummeling Style works with Flurry then the Unfettered Monk has a little bit of a leg up but the margin isn't that wide."
I think I'll make it explicit in the PDF, but "flurry" qualifies a monk for anything that requires "flurry of blows", so Pummeling Style naturally interacts with flurry.
"but some moving sliding balance on some insights"
I assume you're talking about insights that grant more than one feat (such as "bend in the wind") as well as insights that grant special effects including duplicating feats (such as "typhoon dance" and "one touch"). The former are part of the balance of the class where the unfettered monk class loses 14 class features and gains only 11 insights in return. As such the insights are sometimes a bit stronger than an average feat; both to compensate for the extra removed class features and also to actually power-up the class (since the core monk being too weak is why monk replacements are made in the first place). The later (typhoon dance and one touch) are part of the deep insights and (like Style Strikes) are quite powerful and balanced by having limited utility on them.
Ah... that explains. I do hope you get around to it then; I hope you'll find the unfettered monk is capable of filling character concepts that the official sources have trouble with.
That said; you can easily use the monk unfettered insights as new ki powers/feats without adopting the class chassis as well.
I think Griffin is sick and may-or-may-not take a look on the pbp. For now I think placing him in Sentinel is a good "cover all your bases" starting option. So I'd go for that.
Edit: Actually, Jatori, please give more details. Is Strea Vestori the missing Cloven Hoof head, or the contact in the slums? Contextualize me!
You need to slow down here Navior - you're increasing our party net worth by a staggering 1500% - that level of wealth increase can go to peoples' heads! ;)
Meta reasoning: given Navior's suggestions on how to divide the loot and mentioning that it was tailored; I'm wagering the headband is a headband of +2 Wisdom or Charisma suitable for a cleric and should go to Douena
Man, I've survived a hectic last week. I'm back again.
Regarding Untari's jump: the DC 36 jump is only if she wants to land straight up ontop with no other issues. She technically only needs to make the leap to the point where she can claw onto the ledge and scrabble up the rest; instead of a 9ft clean vertical jump she only needs maybe a 5ft or 6ft reaching jump.