Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
So if "murderhobo" is slang for "Pathfinder" could one have Profession (Pathfinder)? What would that entail? "Oh, I'm the guy who wakes people up in the middle of the night on Drandle Dreng's behalf. You didn't think that was him knocking on each door, did you?"
1) makes dayjob checks
2) come up with insane rationales for why something needs to be done at 4 A.M. on no notice: Dc 15
3) Fill out bail forms dc:20
4) Navigate the entire breadth and width of golarion without incident dc 0
5) Pick a dungeon with monsters hard enough to be challenging without ever running into kobolds as a level 11 or Great wyrm red dragons as a level 2: DC 10.
6) Make a will save not to punch a superior member in the face when they denigrate your abilities, withhold vital information,
7) Decipher a bizarre, rambling message from your faction head . FOR TALDOR! DC 20.
8) Bring background information in the adventure into play: DC 40.
9: Hide the bodies: dc 10
10) Start a fire DC 2
Crimson Jester wrote:
A discussion is a two way street. The website gave its position, the above is my response. The key to a better response is a better argument.
one that not only embraces reason but adds faith.
I do not believe those arguments are embracing reason I believe they are merely using reason as a veneer. They ARE entirely faith based but claim to be reasonable and I dislike the deception, which results in some of the brusqueness you're picking up on.
One as strong as your own.
No faith required here. You reach negative conclusions every time you pull a car out into traffic.
Yes. There's nothing wrong with either.
Did you click the link to see the image?
One adventure has the PC's taking a Jaunt through the Hin Jo tapestry. Arem Zey is 1) Sending the pathfinders on what he thinks is a purely ceremonial mission (Gasp!... its not!) 2) Specifically stated as being tired, strung out, and extra cranky from warping the literal fabric of reality to transport adventurers around all day.
There's some very excellent role play between the characters getting ready and shuffling around, exchanging barbs with Aram, who's gritting his teeth because he has the tapestry open... for... a... long... time.
So he "accidentally" drops the party off about 15 feet over a bog, outside a Bistro. Half the party starts prestidigitating itself clean, a few others (not realizing they're off course) Try talking to the elves.
"Take me to your leader!
The elf points a biscoti at another elf at the table "My boss is right there"
" Take us to the general!
".. what, because we're all elves we know each other?"
Do not annoy the man responsible for re arranging your molecules.
So if you have a character that's above one, but not say level 7, I would be unable to assign anything I gained from a pregen to that character?
You could assign it, but you wouldn't be able to use it until you hit the level of the pregen.
Its why Society venues should try really hard to have at least two tables going, so people can level up the newbies without making the veterans start over with new characters.
If you walk around with a bucket labeled "genetically modified bacterium" do people say
A) The vast majority of genetic engineering has been used to benefit mankind by improving yields, reducing the need for pesticides and making possible a wide variety of products from cheese to beer. In all likelyhood its a tub of yogurt. The chances of me being in danger are minimal so I see no reason to react.
B) AHHHHHHH ANTHRAAAAAAAX!
People are not rational and they are very risk averse. That one time it was a fireball may not be very frequent, but you can bet its going to leave an impression not just on the individual witnesses but also on the culture.
Seeing someone cleaning their clothes with the spell would be the equivalent of seeing them dip a spoon in and start eating. Ok, NOW we know its safe. Move on.
Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
The satanists were one thing, but furries!?!?!?!? :)
Crimson Jester wrote:
Nor is insulting someone by saying they have a closed mind for having the temerity to reach a conclusion based on the arguments and information they've seen.
why not just invest in an agile enchantment on your weapon if you're worried about dex to dmg?
1) Thats an expensive proposition that just keeps getting more expensive on you. (6,000 , 10,000, and then 14,000 gold)
2) You really can't afford it till level 7ish. Thats a LOOOOOONG time to go (half the campaign if you're lucky) dealing the damage of a moist sponge.
That's damage. I figure the Swash would have better AC would it not?
Maybe? Ac at that level is mostly itemization.
Is dex to damage from dervish dance or the agile property? If its dervish dance there's no contest, the fighter has the higher ac because swashy doesn't have a buckler.
The +3 from nimble isn't quite making up for the difference between the chain shirt and the fighters plate armor. If the Swashy is using the agile enchantment, then Bashy gets more to spend, probably on his armor to even things out.
Running the DPR on that vs a two hander with a slightly higher strength (because they don't need to be a well rounded bowling ball with their stats) they look REALLY close (27 vs 27 and change), which I think puts it around where it should be if dex to damage is in the equation. The swashbuckler has a few tricks and out of combat utility, but a tweaked out two handed fighter should be able to pull away
Mind you, 11 is where this guy really starts to take off. It looks like a fighter for high level play.
Aren Cordial wrote:
How sub-optimal is it really? Did the test account for AC differences? Because the playtest I recent ran with some friends(and yes Dex to AC) the Swashbuckler was phenomenal as a melee combatant. He did good damage, had a good AC, and frankly was a very solid build. Granted we ran it at 11th level. He could gain more offense or defense with panache as needed. The only complaint was some of the Deeds were things that would barely if ever get used. (genuine question not trying to be a you know what.)
What kind of damage were you doing? 1d6 + 11 for level +3 enhancement +2 weapon training +2 specilization?
To make the class that is supposed to rely on speed, agility, and panache actually rely on speed and agility. Otherwise There's no point in having dexterity over strength.
303-308 The Conan the raptor series.
A series of over the top, pulpy action adventure dime novels staring a Velociraptor named Conan and his bumbling druid side kick Doyle. The dialog tends to be a bit stiff, but the action scenes are well written and the extensive flora and fauna references seem to be spot on.
All proceeds to help preserve the unique inhabitants of the varisian wilds.
Conan the raptor
Probably for a second or two until they see the mud splatter coming off. . I mean pocket knives are everywhere. If i take one out of my pocket with no warning its going to get some looks... until they see me pick up a pencil to sharpen or an apple to peel.
Where angels fear to tread At 3rd level as long as the swashbuckler has at least 1 panache point they may charge a creature without having line of sight to it at the start of their turn.
Pardon meAt 7th level a swashbuckler may attempt to charge through allies and non combatants with a DC 15 acrobatics check. This DC increases by 2 for each ally charged through after the first, and requires a seperate check for each. They may also charge over difficult terrain.
Dashing SwordsmanAt 10th level the swashbuckler may make one turn up to 90 degrees during the charge. This increases to 2 turns at 15th level and 3 at 20th.
1) The lack of a law does not indicate the level of social impropriety
2) Magic is probably going to be seen like the GRARRGH! example in less cosmopolitan areas unless magic has some purpose being in that area. Guy wearing a mask holding a scalpel on 5th and Main? Psyco. Guy wearing a mask and holding a scalpel in the ER? Well respected physician.
Cheapy: do you have a build with a swashy thats using dex to do obscene damage? I mean it might be a problem at level 15-20 but i don't see it doing anything more insane than the cookie cutter barbarian before then.
Here I thought getting your full level to damage was meant to make it so you didn't need to have Dex to damage
1d6+ 3 damage at level 3 is... beyond bad
1d6+10 damage at level 10 is first level damage.
Just level isn't going to cut it.
Radnor Acton wrote:
Oh, dang, thanks for pointing that out John, you are right of course. Hmmm, well that's going to be tough, maybe I can start making use of enlarge person at higher levels. I don't suppose anyone knows of a method to up a horses hp that is not too ruinous? This is all a long way off though, years given the pace of PBP, and 300gp still sounds like a pretty good deal.
Have you considered becoming a gnome? Small size means you only need a medium mount.
Makes perfect sense to me.
"Why aren't there any humans on this mission sir?"
"The high casualty rates. Humans are important, you lot... not so much.
Crimson Jester wrote:
The arguments are bad. They would not be (and are not) convincing for any other notion, but for some reason they're good enough for faith. (copy pasting from a similar previous discussion)
1) The cosmological argument – the universe came from something rather than nothing.
-Everything came from something... except god (for some reason). Nothing can be eternal... except god (for some reason). An unintelligent force cannot have created the universe.. for some reason.
The argument is completely arbitrary and its own special pleading undermines its case.
2) The teleological argument – the complexity in the universe presents the case for an intelligent designer.
Then what designed the designer?
3) The moral argument – true morality comes from God.
Horribly circular. You need to argue that morality is something beyond what it is (respect for living thinking beings), that it is somehow "higher" than that. That higher level then requires a god.
Evolutionary biology provides a LOT of insight as to the benefits of a social species being moral.
4) The resurrection of Jesus – the evidence of the resurrection has not been refuted.
The short argument is that you don't have enough evidence for something that bizarre.
The slightly longer argument is that other religions and supernatural events in history have much if not more evidence for them as the resurrection. Once you prove the supernatural other than jesus, then jesus' evidence becomes meaningless: it doesn't verify his divine origins, only supernatural ability.
Really long argument that is essentially a response to the book "the case for christ"]Those attempting to show that the faith of Christianity is well grounded in fact often point to the historicity of the resurrection event. Supposedly the bible is valid evidence because
1) It is an eyewitness account
Now, if Christians are being consistant with their methodology any work of history that meets these criteria would be deemed historical. After all, the amount of evidence required is generally proportional to the level to which the potentially true event falls outside of our experiences and against our expectations. The idea that there was a Particular blacksmith named Tiberius in Rome wouldn’t require much evidence. As Rome had a large number of blacksmiths and Tiberius was a common name all that would probably be required would be a receipt, work order, or a sign etc. The idea that he personally made and fitted 50,000 horse shoes a day is a lot further outside of our expectations and would require much further evidence to be accepted as fact.
So here we go… Do any Christians arguing for the historicity of the resurrection event believe in magic? You know, witch craft, Satanism, people flying through the air, causing men’s members to disappear, sex with demons, shape shifting, the ability to control the weather.. the whole nine yards?
If not I have to ask why, the historical evidence of such events appears to meet if not exceed the criteria used for the bible.
It is an eyewitness account
Here is an excerpt from a book entitled THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM, hammer of witches. The book was written as a handbook for hunting witches, the authors being authorized to conduct such hunts under the Pope Innocent the XIII under a papal bull. It describes at great length the powers, abilities, limitations of witches, and the means to root out and destroy them.
WE must not omit to mention the injuries done to children by witch midwives, first by killing them, and secondly by blasphemously offering them to devils. In the diocese of Strasbourg and in the town of Zabern there is an honest woman very devoted to the Blessed Virgin MARY, who tells the following experience of hers to all the guests that come to the tavern which she keeps, known by the sign of the Black Eagle.
Now this is at least as much information, if not more, than we have of the authors of the bible. Finding this woman would have been a piece of cake. All you need to do is find the female owner of the black eagle inn in Zabern. If such a woman or inn did not exist then the local priests should have reported back on it.
And to make the matter clear we will quote a case which occurred at Spires and came to the knowledge of many. A certain honest man was bargaining with a woman, and would not come to terms with her about the price of some article; so she angrily called after him, "You will soon wish you had agreed." For witches generally use this manner of speaking, or something like it, when they wish to bewitch a person by looking at him. Then he, not unreasonably being angry with her, looked over his shoulder to see with what intention she had uttered those words; and behold! he was suddenly bewitched so that his mouth was stretched sideways as far as his ears in a horrible deformity, and he could not draw it back, but remained so deformed for a long time.
Now this is certainly more information than we have on the 500 who supposedly saw Jesus, without a single name, town, time, or even country given.
1 Corinthians 15:6
2) Said eyewitness accounts were preserved
An original copy of the 1496 edition is in the Lea Library at Penn, and is described by John Shea: " looks harmless enough from the outside. Barely five inches wide and eight inches tall, its spine has grown bare... Although its light-brown leather covers are mottled and worn, they are supported by two robust blocks of wood that suggest hard, frequent use." (The Pennsylvania Gazette, May-June 2003, p. 30)
Found at www.dailyreprobate.com/wo...bles_2.htm
Such evidence far exceeds that for the chain of knowledge of biblical events. There is no risk of false authorship, false accreditation, translation, editing or the inclusion of unoriginal materials. You have an original copy you can pick up, hold in your hand, and compare against any modern copy to check for errors at your leisure. Whatever the preservation of biblical texts implies for the truth of the resurrection event it applies more so here.
3) The eyewitness accounts were reliable.
These authors had the official sanction of the Roman Catholic Church, one of the most sophisticated organizations on the planet at the time. A papal bull signed by innocent VIII gave the authors the right and obligation to root out heresy and witchcraft using the local church and state officials as well as any an all methods, the "particular methods" (torture) not excluded. Reasonable, thinking people would not have handed over that kind of power to people who were not reliable and trustworthy enough to root out fanciful rumor from extraordinary fact. The authors themselves would not have risked life and limb gallivanting about the countryside without reliable evidence that they were doing the right thing. They were well-educated respected men and professors of theology. If any action they were undertaking was against the biblical precepts or reason they would have been aware of it.
They were not spotting witches behind every rock and tree and executing on a whim. They state that
THE second method of delivering judgement is to be employed when he or she who is accused, after a diligent discussion of the merits of the case in consultation with learned lawyers, is found to be no more than defamed as a heretic in some village, town, or province
These were people who knew the serious implications and burdens of their job and conducted themselves as such.
4) Archeological evidence
In the diocese of Strasburg and in the town of Zabern
For in the diocese of Constance, twenty-eight German miles from the town of Ratisbon in the direction of Salzburg
Not long ago in the town of Ratisbon
There lived in a town of Wiesenthal
.. as well as the aforementioned black eagle inn.
Historians have cooperated these towns all existed at the time where they were indicated, showing that these people were traveling about in the course of their duties and acquiring the local knowledge that can only come from first hand experience.
In short… The reasoning and methods used by those wishing to have the resurrection event considered historical would also render the witchcraft phenomenon of the European as real events that actually happened. If the methods are an acceptable and valid
If you accept witches and witchcraft as real, then what is there to prevent Jesus having faked his death or returned after the event through sorcery, illusion, or trickery? The exclusiveness , uniqueness and very reason for believing that Jesus is god on the basis of his ability to resurrect himself goes right out the window if other people posses the supernatural ability to either confuse the eye witnesses or perform the event for real.
5) The immediate experience of God – experience as evidence for God.
I have an immediate and ineffable experience of the non existance of god. Buddists have the immediate experience of the budda nature/oneness with the universe etc.
The problem is your God is exclusive: if your experience is evidence that you're right then their experience is evidence that you're wrong.
I did not hit the dollar on the wheel :(
could definitely use more mobility. I understand if they don't want to throw pounce to one melee class, but charging around corners, off walls, and while swinging from chandaliers would be nice. I don't see anything in the class that really says "mobility" any more than the wizard is highly mobile because he's not wearing heavy armor.
I dipped dervish dancer for the dex to damage, and got expeditious retreat and feather step to win both showcases.
The problem is that you can't set the pace for the combats alone. When Cuddles the pouncing tiger and Lullaby the slumber hex happy witch with a pick wielding familiar are in the party you can either play rocket tag or tiddlywinks.
Jacob Saltband wrote:
I dont consider my characters to be murderhobos. I find the term to not be funny at all.
Most of my characters aren't murder hobos, but considering the arguments most of my characters get when they try to take the kobolds alive i definitely see where the term comes from and find it hillarious.
Rail roading the players into a PFS scenario for a playtest
You are in the mawangi expanse. Your boat was smashed. You fashioned a makeshift boat and are paddling it down the river. The roar of the t rex indicates he's back for desert!
Party: Paddle! Paddle!
You hear "Stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke" as a well apointed barge with multiple rowers comes up behind you. A knowledge local check lets you identify The man under the umbrella as Aram Zey, a prominant pathfinder.
Party: crap.. murder hobos! paddle faster!
Later that evening one of the characters refers to the pathfinders as murder hobos. Aram Zey refutes that by casting Leomands Tiny hut.
A lot of people pushed for it in round 1. It didn't make it in.
Round 2's bigger problem for me is the immediate action chokepoint the character now has. It makes needing more than 2 panache kind of irrelevant and that makes charisma irrelevant.