Can you attack with old thralls?


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"When you cast the [create thrall] spell, you can have up to one thrall created by this spell make a melee unarmed Strike using your spell attack modifier for the attack roll."

Almost all your thralls are created by that spell. Could I therefore create a few new thralls, then have a thrall I created three rounds ago attack?

At higher levels, this might be the only way to get a thrall attack off against an enemy already surrounded by thralls.


I can't see why not.
It seems intended.
On your point about available space,maybe there does need to be a deletion ability built into the spell.
Or allowing Thralls to share space with other characters.
Or both.
As things stand, I think you can just target the space right above them.
Thrall appears, attacks,falls down, pops out of existence?
Sounds messy.
More reason to allow deletion.


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Ravingdork wrote:

"When you cast the [create thrall] spell, you can have up to one thrall created by this spell make a melee unarmed Strike using your spell attack modifier for the attack roll."

Almost all your thralls are created by that spell. Could I therefore create a few new thralls, then have a thrall I created three rounds ago attack?

At higher levels, this might be the only way to get a thrall attack off against an enemy already surrounded by thralls.

No you can't when a spell calls about itself it calls about its instance not all spells with same name. This would create unpredictable interpretations with many spells that uses "this spell" text.

Anyway would be a problem to control what thralls are created by Create Thralls and what are not.


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I would very much like there to be an ability to get old thralls to contribute more, so enemies don't get comfy with the idea that they're just dummies.

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Also means you could never use one of the/ thralls created by the reaction to attack.


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There should be some clarification here.

On one hand, most of the thralls are created by Create Thrall. Some may be created by Inevitable Return instead - which may be better reworded to use Create Thrall rather than a custom action.

On the other, as YuriP mentions, most of the time when a spell says 'this spell' it is meaning 'this casting of this spell'.

It should either be changed to:

"When you cast this spell, you can have one of the newly created thralls make a melee unarmed Strike..."

or to:

"After casting this spell, you can have any one of your standard thralls make a melee unarmed Strike..."

depending on which is intended.


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I think the action granted from casting of Create Thrall should be usable with any Thrall that you the caster has created.
It's one of the weakest uses of Thralls anyway.


Ectar wrote:
Also means you could never use one of the/ thralls created by the reaction to attack.

I have to assume the intent isn't "any thrall created with create thrall at any point can attack, but not ones created with other abilities", because that is an absolute tracking nightmare. So presumably its either "only the newly created ones" or "any thrall and the wording is misleading."

Finoan wrote:

There should be some clarification here.

On one hand, most of the thralls are created by Create Thrall. Some may be created by Inevitable Return instead - which may be better reworded to use Create Thrall rather than a custom action.

On the other, as YuriP mentions, most of the time when a spell says 'this spell' it is meaning 'this casting of this spell'.

It should either be changed to:

"When you cast this spell, you can have one of the newly created thralls make a melee unarmed Strike..."

or to:

"After casting this spell, you can have any one of your standard thralls make a melee unarmed Strike..."

depending on which is intended.

These both make more sense since they are clear in intent.

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