Sorcerers with Sorcerer Dedication

[Shain Edge]

While it doesn't make sense for MOST classes to take their own Class dedication, Sorcerers are an exception, and have facinating conceptual effects. (Though it might also be interesting to have a Cleric of two deities!)

There is one balance issue that does come up with the dedication feats, the ability to get additional repetoir AND spell slots. To make it balanced, the additional repetoir from dedication feats would not add additional spell slots to cast them. On the other hand, this additional repetoir would have full access to the normal Sorcerer Class feats and abilities.

Does anyone have additonal issues that I'm missing that should be resolved?

[Megistone]

To me, all same-class dedications should be a thing. You can always find a reason to make them make sense, and I don't think that they break balance.

[Temperans]

The only classes fornwhich self class dedication makes less sense (at least when not using free archetype) are Fighter and Champion. But only because all the give is proficiency increase below what they already got.

[YuriP]

Classes where self class dedication that makes sense are classes with some kind of subclass like sorcerer. I also don't se a great problem to allow a self-dedication in a different bloodline but usually these classes already have some kind of cross subclass feat so not always justify a dedication cost.

[breithauptclan]

So basically a much more powerful version of Crossblooded Evolution but as a level 2 feat instead of a level 8 feat...

To be clear, I don't think it is a bad houserule. But it is definitely power creep.

[AceofMoxen]

Cross blood evolution is already a top pick for most sorcerers. If a sorcerer wants to multi class into another tradition with cha-based casting, he could go bard for occult, or oracle for divine.

I would rather just create a simple archetype for cha-based primal or arcane casting with no other features. Maybe "gain extra cantrips" as a level 4 feat, so you could exit the archetype quickly.

[Loreguard]

Technically, if you/I allowed it, I would have been inclined to say you get a separate repertoire and separate set of spell slots. The two being tied together. (rather that tying the new repertoire to the original spell slots.)

So you get extra spells, but you can't access them with all your slots... but it does give you an extra slot or so. I personally don't like the size of the starting repertoire for archetype sorceress, but that is a different story.

So multi-class dedicating to a different tradition would be different from cross blooded, as it would merely mean your normal tradition gets some extra 'odd' spells available but fully available at your full power.

Choosing to multi-class back into sorcerer would give you a weaker, other blood connection, with the normal limitations that would be on any other class getting it.

[HumbleGamer]

Loreguard wrote:

Technically, if you/I allowed it, I would have been inclined to say you get a separate repertoire and separate set of spell slots. The two being tied together. (rather that tying the new repertoire to the original spell slots.)

So you get extra spells, but you can't access them with all your slots... but it does give you an extra slot or so. I personally don't like the size of the starting repertoire for archetype sorceress, but that is a different story.

So multi-class dedicating to a different tradition would be different from cross blooded, as it would merely mean your normal tradition gets some extra 'odd' spells available but fully available at your full power.

Choosing to multi-class back into sorcerer would give you a weaker, other blood connection, with the normal limitations that would be on any other class getting it.

I'd do probably something similar.

If the dedication purpose is to have another dedication that works exactly like a dedication, I see no harm in allowing it.

On the other hand, if the goal of a similar request were for have the sorcerer slots / DC with 2 traditions, it would be, obviously, a big "nope".

This also includes bloodlines that shares the same tradition ( you won't add the spells to your repertoire, but you will always have 2 separate repertories and spell slots to play with).

[Shain Edge]

I did consider giving the repitoir it's own slots separate from the regular sorcerer, but I thought that the additional spell slots would be a power creep.

As for Power creep, I didn't notice that there was a feat that did what I was talking about. It seems that it would be something that would be, similar to an ancestery, taken at a low level, if not first, to represent the mixed blood.