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If a PC vampire is entirely covered with opaque clothing or armor (such as full plate), or are keeping a broad umbrella overhead (much like taking the Raise a Shield action I imagine) must they still contend with direct sunlight?

What game options are there to allow a PC vampire to function in broad daylight without penalty or fear of destruction?


It's just direct sunlight right? I'm sure a simple illusory disguise contorts the light hitting you enough to no longer be direct. Or maybe you can just cosplay as a mummy with glasses.

Whatever you do though, don't take the daywalker feat. Light won't kill you, but you'll still quickly hit slowed 3 and become useless.


So, after spellcasters travelling with X weapons of different special materials, trying to exploit TKP by triggering weaknesses depends the enemy, now we have umbrella vampires?

Golarion deserves better.


Is this hypothetical Vampire PC player just trying to munchkin the system? Because that is certainly what it sounds like.

What, exactly, is the character concept for this character? Would Dhampir or Revenant work better for that character concept?


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If vampires walking around with giant goth parasols doesn't sound like an aesthetic for a great time to you, perhaps we have different definitions of 'better'.

After all, none of this is new. I don't recall at the moment any version of the game which specified that clothing or standing in the shade was not enough to allow a vampire to enjoy the daylight. I recall one AP vampire who used that Druid spell to step into a tree as a shield from which to view the daylight without exposing herself to harm.

Vampires have pretty much always had this option available to them. For most, the question of what happens if their parasol gets dropped, taken, or destroyed is far too great a risk to be worth even being active during daylight hours, but it's always been a possibility.

Addendum: I'm mainly speaking to the aesthetics of the situation. How you choose to handle a PC vampire's attempts to avoid their crippling weakness to vitamin D is up to the time you want to take, but remember, even if there is a way to get completely opaque clothing, even leaving enough gap for vision imposes risks, and parasols can be destroyed if you want to harsh the mellow... But perhaps more productive and less antagonistic is to talk with the player about the vibe you want to go for. "This works but is dangerous to do" is a different set if expectations than "This works but I wish it didn't; can we not?"

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Ravingdork wrote:

If a PC vampire is entirely covered with opaque clothing or armor (such as full plate), or are keeping a broad umbrella overhead (much like taking the Raise a Shield action I imagine) must they still contend with direct sunlight?

What game options are there to allow a PC vampire to function in broad daylight without penalty or fear of destruction?

No amount of clothing or armor is thick or strong enough to keep elemental effects from damaging you, and at the same time, that armor/clothes will also be completely undamaged regardless of if you take a full-on flamethrower to your entire body for six seconds straight dealing 40+ damage to you, it won't even be singed or warm to the touch.

Due to that, I see no reason why armor, clothes, or any other gear that doesn't explicitly stipulate that it protects light-sensitive creatures from direct sunlight would do anything at all to help you.


Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:
If vampires walking around with giant goth parasols doesn't sound like an aesthetic for a great time to you, perhaps we have different definitions of 'better'.

That's the thing. Is this for aesthetics or not? I don't have the rules yet, but there must be some benefits (even if they are niche benefits) to being a Vampire. So just handwaving away all the drawbacks of the build option just feels like powergaming at best.

If you want the aesthetic of a Vampire walking around with a Parasol, try Dhampir or Revenant. Add a bit of lore reflavoring. No mechanical risk of burning up in the sunlight, so feel free to handwave away for a parasol, or heavy clothing, or whatever else is protecting the character from the sun.

Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:
But perhaps more productive and less antagonistic is to talk with the player about the vibe you want to go for. "This works but is dangerous to do" is a different set if expectations than "This works but I wish it didn't; can we not?"

Yes. The most important part here is figuring out what the player is actually wanting.

The problem with that, of course, is that if it is munchkinry, they will likely try to play it off as just aesthetic choice - not a powergaming move.

The entire premise of the OP

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What game options are there to allow a PC vampire to function in broad daylight without penalty or fear of destruction?

makes me highly suspicious.


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Well, another unanswerable question for those of us without the book/PDF... Couldn't we wait until people actually have it before we flood the threads with questions about it? :P

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Subscribers should get PDFs 4/11-4/22. The next Paizo LIVE will be April 22. The release is April 27 for the hardcover and Special Edition. The Pocket Edition should release May 25.

Even some with subscriptions aren't expected to see it until 4-22 and others get it 4-27.


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I don't have anything in particular in mind just yet. It's entirely possible I'll make a character based on what's said here. Or not.

Somebody elsewhere on the forums mentioned that PC vampires were weaker than non-vampire PCs and it got me thinking, "are there options out there that might make that less of the case?"

So, really, just curiosity. If someone comes up with something that appeals to me, I'll likely propose it to whatever GM would let me play a vampire and get their take.

I have been known to take advantage of the rules on occasion, but I don't pull fast ones on fellow players/GMs.

graystone wrote:
Well, another unanswerable question for those of us without the book/PDF... Couldn't we wait until people actually have it before we flood the threads with questions about it? :P

It's SO exciting though! It's hard to keep it all bottled up. Also, I'll forget 90% of the questions I have before then, so I gotta' get it all out there now while they're still stuck in my head.


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Ravingdork wrote:
It's SO exciting though! It's hard to keep it all bottled up. Also, I'll forget 90% of the questions I have before then, so I gotta' get it all out there now while they're still stuck in my head.

Maybe bundle them up in a single thread? It's a bit irksome to trip over the 5th or 6th thread you have no way to reply to as the book just hasn't come out yet. At least then I'd know not to hop on to the thread when you added more questions until I got the book and it'd feel less in your face about getting the info weeks ahead of others and sort of bragging about it by posting more and more threads about it asking questions most can't know the answers to as you can't even post quotes of rules text before the street date... :P


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What are some emergency procedures that a vampire unexpectedly caught out in the open might be able to use to quickly protect themselves?

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Teleport to coffin, I guess. Don't have the book either.

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Scrolls of Obscuring Mist, Personal Raincloud, and any other spells that create fog or other forms of concealment would work if only for a short time.


I was going to suggest Wall spells but they can't be cast on the 2-action budget an exposed vampire has.

Never moving more than 2-3 strides away from the nearest shadow is a good preventative measure but no help for the stranded vampire caught by surprise.


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"It should only take us about 40 minutes of healing to get everyone back in top shape!"

"Sorry, no can do guys. Sunrise is in only 20 minutes. We're going to have to call it here."

Who wouldn't want work arounds?


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Ravingdork wrote:

"It should only take us about 40 minutes of healing to get everyone back in top shape!"

"Sorry, no can do guys. Sunrise is in only 20 minutes. We're going to have to call it here."

Who wouldn't want work arounds?

If you foresee this as being a main problem then you should probably not be a vampire.


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AlastarOG wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:

"It should only take us about 40 minutes of healing to get everyone back in top shape!"

"Sorry, no can do guys. Sunrise is in only 20 minutes. We're going to have to call it here."

Who wouldn't want work arounds?

If you foresee this as being a main problem then you should probably not be a vampire.

LOL. It definitely warrants talking to the group about first. :)


Yah, IMO I think the undead archetypes in book of the dead are not meant as monolithic options, but as party theme options.

Like right now I'm running a campaign where all the characters are brothers and sisters, being dhampirs sired by the same vampiric father. The setting is kingmaker and they've been hard at work creating a necrotopia (necromantic utopia) for their undead and human citizens.

In THAT setting, these options are a godsend, allowing my players to maybe respec a bit to further define their theme, respecing their heritage to one that they like instead of dhampir and using the free archetype to go grab vampire, ghoul or lich as they please (one of the players has been saying he wants to become a lich since level 1)

But if you're running agents of edgewatch with Iomedae champion and cayden caelian cleric and you're like ''hey I like vampire imma go in it!'' then ... I guess find a good excuse for why you can't go out during the day and be prepared to burn ?


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I'll note that Fists of the Ruby Phoenix book 3 mentions a parasol built by a woman so she could go to a festival with her vampire girlfriend some centuries ago (and it worked).


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Grankless wrote:
I'll note that Fists of the Ruby Phoenix book 3 mentions a parasol built by a woman so she could go to a festival with her vampire girlfriend some centuries ago (and it worked).

Nice! Thanks. :)

Anyone else got anything?


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Ravingdork wrote:
What are some emergency procedures that a vampire unexpectedly caught out in the open might be able to use to quickly protect themselves?

Get a burrow speed on your character: putting 5' of earth/sand/snow/ect between the vampire and the sun works well.


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graystone wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
What are some emergency procedures that a vampire unexpectedly caught out in the open might be able to use to quickly protect themselves?
Get a burrow speed on your character: putting 5' of earth/sand/snow/ect between the vampire and the sun works well.

Do you want vampire shoonies?

Because THIS IS HOW YOU GET VAMPIRE SHOONIES!


AlastarOG wrote:
graystone wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
What are some emergency procedures that a vampire unexpectedly caught out in the open might be able to use to quickly protect themselves?
Get a burrow speed on your character: putting 5' of earth/sand/snow/ect between the vampire and the sun works well.

Do you want vampire shoonies?

Because THIS IS HOW YOU GET VAMPIRE SHOONIES!

No, just have them adopted by shoonies. You get one digging up some bones and hijinks ensue. ;)


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Ravingdork wrote:
Grankless wrote:
I'll note that Fists of the Ruby Phoenix book 3 mentions a parasol built by a woman so she could go to a festival with her vampire girlfriend some centuries ago (and it worked).

Nice! Thanks. :)

Anyone else got anything?

I'd probably rule that it works for non combat situations. Trying to keep a parasol in the right place while running, dodging, lunging etc just doesn't seem feasible.


Ugh I don't know what's worst, being a shoony or being adopted by shoonies ..


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Malk_Content wrote:
Trying to keep a parasol in the right place while running, dodging, lunging etc just doesn't seem feasible.

It does sound difficult, but certainly feasible. That's why I'd have them spend an action to maintain the protection, sort of like Raise A Shield. I think that represents the difficulty and focus required to keep it in the proper place quite well.


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AlastarOG wrote:
Ugh I don't know what's worst, being a shoony or being adopted by shoonies ..

Both, the answer is both.

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AlastarOG wrote:
graystone wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
What are some emergency procedures that a vampire unexpectedly caught out in the open might be able to use to quickly protect themselves?
Get a burrow speed on your character: putting 5' of earth/sand/snow/ect between the vampire and the sun works well.

Do you want vampire shoonies?

Because THIS IS HOW YOU GET VAMPIRE SHOONIES!

Vampugs?


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Gisher wrote:
AlastarOG wrote:
graystone wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
What are some emergency procedures that a vampire unexpectedly caught out in the open might be able to use to quickly protect themselves?
Get a burrow speed on your character: putting 5' of earth/sand/snow/ect between the vampire and the sun works well.

Do you want vampire shoonies?

Because THIS IS HOW YOU GET VAMPIRE SHOONIES!

Vampugs?

Stricorgi?


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Have you considered being a Dhampir who takes the Vampire archetype and then takes both the Vampire and Dhampir Daywalker feats? If you take both then the sunlight no longer destroys you, though you'll still get stunned, and while in direct sunlight positive energy won't hurt you, either, but heal you instead.


graystone wrote:
Gisher wrote:
AlastarOG wrote:
graystone wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
What are some emergency procedures that a vampire unexpectedly caught out in the open might be able to use to quickly protect themselves?
Get a burrow speed on your character: putting 5' of earth/sand/snow/ect between the vampire and the sun works well.

Do you want vampire shoonies?

Because THIS IS HOW YOU GET VAMPIRE SHOONIES!

Vampugs?
Stricorgi?

Nice one! :)


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Darkness and Penumbral Shroud are both quick stop gap spells that will protect you for 1 or 10 minutes. Not enough to adventure during the day, but enough to help you get out of the sun.

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