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Yeah, I honestly think that if anyone's going to be easygoing about how to define art, it's the goddess of art and love and beauty who's always talking about how beauty is relative and more than what's on the surface.
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The Romans had some pretty fantastic looking aqueducts though.
Sure. But at the same time, I doubt that Shelyn is going to enforce something so burdensome as considering anything created a work of art. Yes, someone made those arrows. No, Shelyn isn't gonna have an issue with you breaking them. Arrows are meant to be used. Yes, Shelyn is gonna have an issue with you buying arrows from someone who made them and then snapping each arrow one by one in front of them.
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Deities are able to view things more completely and objectively than mortals, including apparent contradictions.
Like Erastil can view anything and everything that some group of people has made into a community as a community (even if disparate groups would be very confused by each other) so I don't know why Shelyn couldn't view anything and everything that somebody has viewed as art as art (even if van Eyck would be perplexed by Duchamp while they'd each have completely different criticisms to level at Banksy.)
Mortal artists spend a lot of time talking past each other and regularly disapprove of other talented artists for particular reasons. Shelyn is going to appreciate all of them.
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And sometimes it is in the eye of the beholder.
Thankfully that's untrue or Golarion would be artless given that beholders* are the IP of a different company. :-P
*That's an iconic DnD aberration w/ lotsa spellcasting eyeballs for all you young scallywags! The heroes in the DnD cartoon even used beauty (a flower I believe) to defeat it. *eyeroll*
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Though yes, I think the point is that art falls in the same category as beauty (and frankly every other pseudo-transcendental concept) in that it's subjective or at times intersubjective, yet seldom objective (except I think we're hardwired for healthiness to appeal to us).
Except there's Shelyn, who's not (or doesn't seem to be) authoritative so won't decry what is or isn't art, neither do I think she'd accept purely individual definitions either, perhaps tying the artiness of art to the breadth of the audience.* And she has a deity's wisdom and perspective to understand a breadth of POVs plus is Good (unlike say some Greek deities) so I think that the prosperity of sentient beings would correlate. In other words, as deity of art it seems she'd be the most correct about what is art, yet we have yet to hear her words on the matter (nor access to an IRL source of such wisdom in order to write her POV to settle this ongoing philosophical query).
*Does Shelyn support hack artists and popular drivel? I don't mean those motivated by greed, but those who flourish despite what many would call a lack of talent. Who's to call another talentless if the work succeeds, pleases, sparks discussion, etc?
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I think that shutting down debate over art is actually a very anti-art stance, which is a big part of why I doubt easy-riding Shelyn would ever want to be an arbiter of definitions.
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Shelyn's perspective on debate about art should be that it ought to operate in order to help people create more and better art, or to fix problems with existing art. Things like "you're a talentless hack who should give your dreams" isn't okay, but something like "The whole 'save the cat' model has flattened modern screenwriting since the need for an immediate threat removes the potential for simmering tension and character development".
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Also, recognizing that art is "crude" isn't the same thing as calling it not art. Not even close.
I didn't say that Shelyn would consider crude Art to not be Art.
What I'm claiming is the concept that some art is crude and some isn't, the idea that some art is greater than other art (stated outright in her Anathema) strongly implies to me that there IS an objective standard (or something closely approximating one) by which the relative merits of different pieces of Art can be measured.
So yeah, maybe everything that anybody considers to be Art IS Art. But a lot of it may be pretty bad art.
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I didn't say that Shelyn would consider crude Art to not be Art.
What I'm claiming is the concept that some art is crude and some isn't, the idea that some art is greater than other art (stated outright in her Anathema) strongly implies to me that there IS an objective standard (or something closely approximating one) by which the relative merits of different pieces of Art can be measured.
So yeah, maybe everything that anybody considers to be Art IS Art. But a lot of it may be pretty bad art.
I think crude art is more referring to skill of the artist. Shelyn admires all creative endeavors no matter the skill level. Crude to me is not ref
I actually going to school to become a Graphic Designer, so I have an opinion on what is consider art. Art to me is about bring a ideas to life. An interesting art piece to me is One and Three Chairs a conceptual art piece as it challanges what makes something something. There are so many beautiful ways to create an express yourselves and that is what Shelyn care about. I also don't think she distinguish think crafts are not art as that itself is separation only found in western culture in our world and I would consider only in Avistan in Golorian. SO weather you making a quilts, a pots, representational art oil painting, abstract expressionism, and everything beyond and in-between.
The only art I can imagine Shelyn being against is artistic endeavors intended to hurt and disadvantage others.
Just because you don't like Maurizio Cattelan style of conceptual art pieces (as modern art is technically it own style period I now it stupid) or any kind of style or medium. They are artist that have there own way of expression and not everyone will gel with every style.