Getting a different class' spells.


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Aside from a straight out level dip, is there a way for a cleric to get a druid spell? Wands and scrolls won't work either.

Shadow Lodge

Play a Samsaran? Use the rules for spell research?


Spell research?


A 2-level dip in pathfinder savant gets you 1 level of spellcasting advancement and an off-list spell (plus minor stuff). You can get back the lost spellcasting level with a couple of feats if desired. Continuing to advance PS will give full spellcasting, more off-list spells and a variety of odd abilities.

At the endgame miracle can fake any spell.

What actual spell is it, anyway?

ed: spell research is heavily dependent on the GM seeing this particular spell as one that could be part of the cleric list. If they don't they have no obligation to let it work.


The spell I need is Faerie Fire.


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That's on the Sun/Light and Darkness/Moon subdomain spell lists if that's any help to this cleric. Or half-elves can spend a feat on drow spirit to get it as a SLA.

Anyway, an evocation spell which means that shadow evocation can reproduce it, and shadow evocation can be obtained via the dreamed secrets feat (requires worshiping cthuloid monsters) or the darkness domain or the veiled illusionist prestige class (may require worshiping Sivanah).


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Does it have to be Faerie Fire? Clerics have Invisibility Purge, will that suit your purposes?


Ok, thanks for all the info. She is a half-drow so I have the SLA, but I need a few more uses a day for what I have in mind. Unfortunately she doesn't have access to those domains as she's a currently playing character. And I don't want to change the deity as its a fairly important part of her backstory.

Yes, it has to be Faerie Fire. My character is mostly monk with a few levels of cleric. I'm looking at taking the Nightmare Fist chain at level 11. It gives extra damage while in magical darkness. The final feat gives a higher DC for Stunning Fist and can net even more damage. But it specifically calls for me to cast Faerie Fire without using spell completion or spell trigger items.

I can use a wand of Darkness for the first feat no problem. But it looks like I'm either going to have to dip Druid or give up on the other feat. If I ever play her in a later campaign, I'll pick a deity with one of those domains.


The Fairie Strike feat will add fairie fire to enemies you vital strike.


Hm. That might work, but I'd have to ask my GM. It will also add more feats to what I need.

Edit: GM says it wouldn't work.


Heather 540 wrote:

Hm. That might work, but I'd have to ask my GM. It will also add more feats to what I need.

Edit: GM says it wouldn't work.

While I cannot remember what it is named I think there is a feat that allows you 3 extra uses per day for a racial SLA's. Would that help?

There is also this spell: Recharge Innate Magic

Edit: It was a 3.5 Feat called 'Magic in the Blood' that allowed you to use your racial SLA's 3 times per day instead of 1x/day. Dunno of your GM allows 3.5 Material but it at least is a reasonable example for a homebrew feat.


There's a spell available to clerics, recharge innate magic, which lets you regain uses of innate SLAs. Technically gnome-only but if you can learn it somehow it should work.


That should work. Won't recharge the Darkness SLA, but I don't have any trouble getting that cast with a wand.


avr wrote:
There's a spell available to clerics, recharge innate magic, which lets you regain uses of innate SLAs. Technically gnome-only but if you can learn it somehow it should work.

Recharge Innate Magic can only be learned by gnomes, but it can be cast by everyone. As a Half-Elf, that's not a problem: simply use Paragon Surge to get the Racial Heritage (Gnome) feat whenever you are ready to learn the spell.

If you go this route, then I also suggest the Seducer alternate racial trait for Drow, as it would recharge the Charm Person SLA too.

Another way, though expensive with 3 feats and CHA 13, is to go for the Drow Nobility feat chain (Improved & Greater), which will give you infinite/at-will Faerie Fire (and Deeper Darkness, Levitate, Feather Fall, Dancing Lights, Detect Magic). The 4th feat Noble Spell Resistance gives the best spell resistance, though that is probably wasted on a monk level 13+.


By that time, I'll be past level 20. The entire reason I want to be able to cast Faerie Fire multiple times is the Nightmare Fist chain. Which is 3 feats itself. Add that to the Dimensional Dervish line, and I'm pretty full up.


And what are the cleric levels for? If it's just a WIS spellcaster, you could take druid instead. If the background requires a specific deity, an oracle with the Pranked curse can get you Faerie Fire as regular spell.


For RP reasons and access to the Crusader's Flurry feat. That gives me a larger selection of weapons for flurry by allowing my deity's favored weapons.

I talked to my GM and he said I could buy a Wand of Recharge Innate Magic from one of our many crafters. So I can grab that and a Wand of Darkness. Then just cast Recharge after a combat if I feel like there might be another before the characters have a chance to rest for the night.


The Alchemal Extract Alchemal Allocation allows you to use an potion or elixir without actually consuming it. This, in practice makes just about every spell of every class from levels 1-3 available to the Alchemist.

On the subject of Alchemy, there is a non-magical way to use something like Faerie Fire: Marker Glow Dye. Ranged Touch Attack, you can put it in an Arrow, anything you hit glows.

Maybe you can attack an area with Glowing Marker Dye?


No. The feat I'm looking at specifically says that the spell Faerie Fire needs to be cast. It's not about making things glow.

Sovereign Court

Spellcasting Contract, Lesser should work. Just choose the refresh every day option.

You just have to find a Cleric of Asmodeus who has a level of Druid, Hunter or Mesmerist. Of these, Mesmerist is likely the most thematic.

Just remember to read the contract before signing on the dotted line. Preferably, get a profession(Barrister or Lawyer) to look it over first. Wouldn't want to accidentally sign away you afterlife, after all!

*Note: most temples of Asmodeus have lawyers on hand who will totally read over your contract for you free of charge. Advice on the contract though, that might have a price tag on it.


Heather 540 wrote:
Ok, thanks for all the info. She is a half-drow so I have the SLA, but I need a few more uses a day for what I have in mind.

So you have Faerie Fire already, but you just need more uses of it? Then you can just take the Drow Nobility Feats. Improved Drow Nobility lets you use your Faerie Fire 2/day instead of 1. Greater Drow Nobility lets you use Faerie Fire at will.


Heather 540 wrote:
For RP reasons and access to the Crusader's Flurry feat. That gives me a larger selection of weapons for flurry by allowing my deity's favored weapons.

Then I say: take an Oracle.

As oracles are completely free in designing their background and relationship to deities, there shouldn't be any RP issues. If you take the Life mystery, you'll get the Channel Energy class feature just as a cleric would, thereby fulfilling the prerequisites for Crusader's Flurry. And if you take the Pranked curse, then Faerie Fire is added to your oracle spell list at 1st level.
Instead of the Life mystery, the Bones mystery would work too, with negative energy instead of positive energy.

It also allows the use of oracle-only items like Soothsayer's Raiment (if you use armor) and the Ring of Revelation, which allow oracles access to revelations from other mysteries [e.g. Ascetic].


Ok, thank you for your input, everyone. I have plenty of information for the next campaign I play this character in.

But for the current campaign, I'm going to use the Wand of Recharge Innate Magic. I don't have room to take the Drow Nobility feats. I barely have room for the Nightmare Fist line.


Firebug wrote:
Just remember to read the contract before signing on the dotted line. Preferably, get a profession(Barrister or Lawyer) to look it over first. Wouldn't want to accidentally sign away you afterlife, after all!

But it might be an opposed check if they didn't deliberately make it easy to understand, in which case the Asmodean Advocate's high bonus to Profession (Barrister) is going to destroy you.


Anyone know a way to add Paladin Spells to the Cleric/Warpriest list? Specifically for a Champion of the Faith Warpriest.


Gilfalas wrote:
Anyone know a way to add Paladin Spells to the Cleric/Warpriest list? Specifically for a Champion of the Faith Warpriest.

Is there a particular spell you're looking for?


Gilfalas wrote:

Anyone know a way to add Paladin Spells to the Cleric/Warpriest list? Specifically for a Champion of the Faith Warpriest.

Samsaran w/mystic past life works, as does the pathfinder savant PrC. Various magic items can come close without quite getting there. But yeah, which spell exactly - there might be a way to finesse it for a particular spell if neither of the above suits.

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