If an elven character has ancestral weapons feat, choses to be a monk and then choses the ancestral and monastic weapons feat for the monk, shouldn't those elven weapons such as the long sword become expert along with all monk weapons at fifth level when their unarmed strikes become expert or am I missing something? Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated, thanks :)
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Ancestral Weaponry: You blend monastic techniques with the ancestral fighting styles of your people. Choose an ancestry for which you have access to all weapons with that trait. For you, melee weapons with that ancestry trait and either the agile or finesse trait gain the monk trait.
Monastic Weaponry: You have trained with the traditional weaponry of your monastery or school. You gain access to uncommon weapons that have the monk trait and become trained in simple and martial monk weapons. When your proficiency rank for unarmed attacks increases to expert or master, your proficiency rank for these weapons increases to expert or master as well.
Ancestral Weaponry with that particular ancestry trait gives the monk trait, and then Monastic Weaponry means that those weapons would scale.
So the Elven Curve Blade would scale, but the longsword wouldn't, because it a) lacks the Elf trait and b) lacks either the agile or finesse trait.
::Sigh:: I figured that would be the obvious response as the long sword although being trained is not considered an elf weapon. With that being said, if the weapon does not have the term "elf" listed in the weapon it would seem that it still would not qualify as the rapier is agile, is a weapon that elves are trained in if they take the ancestry weapon feat and yet still does not scale. So this feat would really only apply to the Elven Curve blade which I think is silly. I know that the GM could just say that it does but, Idk, just seems like a pretty worthless feat for elves, or orcs, or any other race that can take an ancestral weapon. Regardless, thank you for helping, I appreciate it. :)
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Idk, just seems like a pretty worthless feat for elves, or orcs, or any other race that can take an ancestral weapon. Regardless, thank you for helping, I appreciate it. :)
Weapons that can apply are: Clan dagger, Claw Blade, Dogslicer, Elven Curve Blade, Filcher's Fork, Orc Knuckle Dagger and Tengu Gale Blade.
I'm sorry, I guess my response seemed as if I thought that only the elven curve blade was the only weapon this applied to. What I meant was that the only elf weapon that the feat applied to was the elven curve blade. I was aware that the feat still applied to the other races such as the orc knuckle dagger and such. I guess my point was for a feat to only affect only one weapon that a race uses seems very weak in general but I guess it was never meant to be very good. Thank you for trying to help me though.
Fortunately, you won't lose out too much in this specific case, since the temple sword has similar stats to long sword.
But yes, it is a bit wonky.
Fortunately, you won't lose out too much in this specific case, since the temple sword has similar stats to long sword.
But yes, it is a bit wonky.
I agree but I was doing this more for the story and flavor of everything/background of the character. The temple sword would even give me a trip if I wanted so it's a better weapon choice but not what I was looking for :) Thanks
Elven Curve blade is a pretty good weapon for a monk: it's a d8 weapon that's Finesse and Forceful which works quite well with a dex build and competitive vs stance attacks. Weapon runes are also cheaper than handwraps so it's competitive there too. Elves actually have the best weapon for the feat IMO. Seems like you're going Str for your monk so taking a feat that requires agile/finesse isn't going to look that good.
Your right there too Graystone. I agree that the Curve blade is a great weapon for an agile character but then again and a lot of people might think this is dumb (OH well) but I'm not looking for the best weapon, or damage, looking more for a story and using a two handed weapon just doesn't fit my idea for the character. I guess I'm the type of person who takes an ability flaw and get nothing out of it except to fit my character concept. Thanks for your opinion, it's valued! :)
So, if I understand it right, you're looking more for a monk that uses something like a Shaolin Jian for their fighting style, but with an (elven) longsword?
Might just be worth talking to the GM if it's not strict/PFS and see if they're willing to make it an exception in the Monastic Weaponry feat for you if it's going to be your signature weapon.
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Elven Curve blade is a pretty good weapon for a monk: it's a d8 weapon that's Finesse and Forceful which works quite well with a dex build and competitive vs stance attacks. Weapon runes are also cheaper than handwraps so it's competitive there too. Elves actually have the best weapon for the feat IMO. Seems like you're going Str for your monk so taking a feat that requires agile/finesse isn't going to look that good.
my problem with it is investing 2 class feats and an ancestryfeat to get something at best equal to something that'd only take 1 class feat. Not to mention that all the stances get better with more feats but you can't even use peafowl stance with the Elven Curve Blade.
I wish Ancestral Weaponry was just part of Monastic Weaponry or if it had to be its own feat to do more than just adding the monk trait to those weapons.
my problem with it is investing 2 class feats and an ancestryfeat to get something at best equal to something that'd only take 1 class feat. Not to mention that all the stances get better with more feats but you can't even use peafowl stance with the Elven Curve Blade.
I wouldn't say equal. Not everyone wants to lock themselves into a stance and it's cheaper to magic a weapon. There are also weapon only feats/abilities.
Now is it worth the feats? That's up to player. Myself, I don't know that'd I'd spend them on this. I'd be more inclined to take Monastic Archer Stance and pass it off as elven training.
I agree on the point that two class feats and a racial feat for at maximum one weapon per ancestry is a but much...
I wondered too about that a while ago and still can't get over the limited returns of the feat
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I agree on the point that two class feats and a racial feat for at maximum one weapon per ancestry is a but much...
I wondered too about that a while ago and still can't get over the limited returns of the feat
Personally, I think Monastic Weaponry and Weapon Familiarity should be enough with Ancestral Weaponry being an extra affect if you have both: IE Monastic Weaponry should extend to any Weapon Familiarity ancestry trait and agile/finesse weapons.
Thank you so much everyone, I just need to talk to the GM and plead my case. Thank you for your advice, it has helped a lot.
Personally, I think Monastic Weaponry and Weapon Familiarity should be enough with Ancestral Weaponry being an extra affect if you have both: IE Monastic Weaponry should extend to any Weapon Familiarity ancestry trait and agile/finesse weapons.I agree on the point that two class feats and a racial feat for at maximum one weapon per ancestry is a but much...
I wondered too about that a while ago and still can't get over the limited returns of the feat
This was my suggestion during beta and as houserule shortly after release :P
and I would include not just the weapons with the race tag;
race tag + either agile or finesse okay, I can understand that they don't want d12 racial weapons to seep in there (although...dragon stance...we'Re not far off power wise)
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Elven Curve blade is a pretty good weapon for a monk: it's a d8 weapon that's Finesse and Forceful which works quite well with a dex build and competitive vs stance attacks. Weapon runes are also cheaper than handwraps so it's competitive there too. Elves actually have the best weapon for the feat IMO. Seems like you're going Str for your monk so taking a feat that requires agile/finesse isn't going to look that good.my problem with it is investing 2 class feats and an ancestryfeat to get something at best equal to something that'd only take 1 class feat. Not to mention that all the stances get better with more feats but you can't even use peafowl stance with the Elven Curve Blade.
I wish Ancestral Weaponry was just part of Monastic Weaponry or if it had to be its own feat to do more than just adding the monk trait to those weapons.
Spending way too many feats for something that doesn't even make you stronger is unfortunately a common theme when it comes to weapon proficiency in PF2.