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You often tout that you're an educator.
If you received a paper from a student who wrote things such as "It is inferred" and "It has been said", I know (or at least hope) that your response is going to be "Who has inferred this, and who has said this?"
I can use my critical thinking skills to understand that *you* are inferring your own interpretation of other people's posts.
Having often been misinterpreted myself, I consider it a huge pet peeve.
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You often tout that you're an educator.
If you received a paper from a student who wrote things such as "It is inferred" and "It has been said", I know (or at least hope) that your response is going to be "Who has inferred this, and who has said this?"
I can use my critical thinking skills to understand that *you* are inferring your own interpretation of other people's posts.
Having often been misinterpreted myself, I consider it a huge pet peeve.
Nefreet, you attack anyone who disagrees with what you believe on these forums. Your track record speaks for itself. Therefore, I am going to ignore you like I usually do before this devolves into an insult driven conversation like the last time we argued.
I said what I said. You don't like it. Tough.
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Wow... Did this go sideways...First, I WILL take a picture of the reporting sheet as a player. Period. I will not accept being told no.
Get over it folks and move on.
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Do you know what it's like to deal with a stalker? Do you know what they'll learn about you? I'm glad you seemingly have the privilege of not being chased out of social gathering places like game stores, book stores, or coffee shops. I'm happy you've never had to deal with police when a stalker shows up at your home or having to through the process of dealing with restraining orders. Let me tell you one thing about it.
You don't just "get over it and move on."
If I player at my table told me they were taking a picture against the wishes of a player at the table with that "deal with it" attitude, I'd ask you to leave. I'm happy to discuss and to come to any number of the reasonable accommodations proposed here. If you come with that high and mighty attitude, if you're gonna stomp your feet and tell me to move on you can play somewhere else. If someone has a concern, then you need to respect their privacy and their safety or you shouldn't be running public games.
You are free to ask me to leave. I am free not to leave. But since it is at the end of the session anyways, I would be leaving.
This is a non-issue. I am not taking a picture of the person. That is not right, even if it is in public. It is a piece of paper.
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Oh and while we are at this, since it does involve education, let's look at the sources. This entire forum thread is the source. When we want to cite a specific source within the thread, we would cite the exact post. In this case, we are inferring from the thread itself. Therefore, the source would be the thread, not one specific post.
I want students to develop and use critical thinking skills. That means they need to develop their interpretations and not just parrot what others are saying. We teach students to think for themselves and to use information from multiple sources to build their interpretations.
Look at it like this. When you read a book by a historian, it is not the historian merely repeating what others have said. It is the historian using multiple sources to develop their own interpretation about the topic they studied. At times, these interpretations will be controversial. They will be challenged. That's fine. But the bottom line is these interpretations are made by historians employing their critical thinking skills they have developed in college and over time.
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This is a non-issue. I am not taking a picture of the person. That is not right, even if it is in public. It is a piece of paper.
Perhaps they have a problem with another PFS player and their friends, looking on the sign up, saw the DM and knew they were safe, but doesn't know the rest of ya'll from adam.
While yes, I wouldn't expect the situation to be common enough to warrant asking every single time, if someone brings the issue to your attention it's pretty unconscionable not to accede to their wishes, especially since there's zero reason you can't both get what you want. Have the person worried about privacy sign last, put a strip of paper over their name, make a dice wall on top of their name, put their name out of frame if they're on the top and bottom etc.
There's no competing interests at all if your interests don't need to be in competition.
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You are free to ask me to leave. I am free not to leave. But since it is at the end of the session anyways, I would be leaving.
This is a non-issue. I am not taking a picture of the person. That is not right, even if it is in public. It is a piece of paper.
You're a venture captain calling for ignoring the safety of other players and reasonable accommodations.
That's pretty damn shameful.
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It seems to me that a lot of this is about trying to stop the AcP system from being online so that it goes to paper. The objections to the online system are not standing up to scrutiny. It's the 21st century.It’s the 21st century and we’re still stuck with a deeply flawed paper-based reporting system. The backbone of AcP (swift, accurate reporting) does not stand up to scrutiny.We do have a flawed paper reporting system. No one has enforced the online reporting. That's going to have to change with the AcP system being online. If you want the AcP for GMing you will need to report the games. If there are errors and ommissions, Org Play is going to have to develop a system for making corrections.
I've got 59 PFS2 sessions that I have ran. Every single one is reported. Every player has their chronicle sheets. It's not difficult to do this. If someone does not want to do it, then they can delegate the task to someone else. I have 180 sessions ran as a PFS1 GM. Every session was reported on Paizo.com. Every player got their chronicle sheet. It is not that difficult. There is no excuse for not reporting the sessions.
As a VL for my area I require reporting for all sessions ran. If the GM cannot report them or is unwilling to report them, I will do it for them. It's not that hard to do. I am not finding a problem with this in my area.
We ALL require reporting.
The whole “It’s easy and I don’t have problems so no one else should either” shtick doesn’t really hold water when we literally have players photographing sign-in sheets because they’re so worried games won’t get reported. Further, many areas have a thin volunteer force working without official recognition or motivation.
AcP won’t work if reporting doesn’t work well. I’m not trying to stop
AcP, I want to see it working smoothly and this is a major flaw.
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As for the privacy concerns, simply respect that person’s wishes. Their experiences may be different than yours (even two people who’ve dealt with traumatic experiences like stalking will have different needs and wishes); they are not required to share those experiences or justify their needs to anyone at an event.
PFS is not the place to judge someone’s personal choice, or decide what’s right and wrong for someone else without consent, or tell anyone else what should/should not comfortable for them.
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Or if your concerns are that great, use a pseudonym as your real name isn't required.
And I have had a stalker, called the police many times, filed a restraining order, had that restraining order and video evidence repeatedly ignored by the DA, and spent $500K to move my family, so I sympathize.
I do, but if a stranger at a table asks "hey can take a picture of your name and hand writing" I'm gonna have some questions. If they just throw down like this person, I'm gonna leave. If I'm the GM and someone has questions and this person throws down, I'm going to ask them to leave.
Reasonable accommodations are not hard to ask for. It takes seconds. Being bull headed makes me think there's a reason to be suspicious.
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I hesitate to wade into this quagmire of a thread, but here goes:
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Of course you should ask before you take pictures of people or their personal information. That's not even something that's specific to PFS, it's just 21st century courtesy.
It's also the reason why I registered pfswaterysoup@gmail.com and sign up as W.S. on Warhorn. If someone tells me I need to show a Real ID in order to get pieces of paper to prove I played a game enough so that I get to pretend to be a hobgoblin the next time I play ... F that S. Seriously.
Anyone I exchange coronavirus with knows my gov'ment name, that's good enough.
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Lugging around binders of paper is lol.
An online system that somehow manages to be worse than people lugging around binders of paper is double lol.
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There are few categories why something has not been reported.
Just has not been done yet but will be done - Ask for an update move on and be patient for a reasonable time.
Error in reporting - If you are told everything has been reported then there was an error, research can be done and it can be fixed.
Loss of Reporting sheet - This is an annoying one and what in general taken a picture of the session sheet is meant to combat. I am not sure why they added the name of the players on the session sheet, it should be removed. This takes the most work for the organizer to do research to fix. Hopefully the chronicle sheet GM section is legible so the research can be done so at least a partial reporting for the table can be completed.
GM/Organizer just not wanting to report - This is where us VOs need to step in and stop this. not wanting to report is not an excuse, and measures can be put in by the VO to fix this.
There might be a few others I missed but those are the big ones in my experience.
Really our only concern is the last one and as a group we need to not accept that one any more and just be patient with the other reasons as that information is and will be put in it just will take some time.
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There's also a number of cons/gamedays that I've seen that use a custom reporting sheet, that sometimes has name and email on it. I would definitely want to block those out before taking photos for backup purposes (whether GM or player). Its un-needed to report and its privacy important. (And maybe we should push those events to change their custom reporting sheets)
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You are free to ask me to leave. I am free not to leave. But since it is at the end of the session anyways, I would be leaving.
This is a non-issue. I am not taking a picture of the person. That is not right, even if it is in public. It is a piece of paper.
You're a venture captain calling for ignoring the safety of other players and reasonable accommodations.
That's pretty damn shameful.
I will take every action I can to protect all the players who sit at a table my lodge. I take it as personal insult that you accuse me this. And anyone else who likes your post.
If someone has a problem with me taking a picture, I will make the effort to "blank out" their "personally identifiable information". So I get a small piece of paper and cover their name. Their Organized Play number can only be tied to them if someone has access. And most people will not have access.
But I am taking a picture of piece of paper. I am not the one who is harassing anyone. How am I a threat? How is me taking a picture of piece of paper a threat????
I get that people have been harassed. It has not happened at my lodge, at least to my knowledge.
And I don't hide behind an alias. I have my real name out there. Always have, always will. I am not scared to standup to people who are now try to bully me.
This conversation needs to end. This is no benefit to it. But if I feel like I am being bullied and attacked, I will defend myself.
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One other thing we need to really push hard is registering your characters.
For people who have never reported a session you might not be aware that when you report a session and input their org play number and PC number the PC name/faction is autofilled as long as the PC has been registered.
Registering characters makes reporting errors a lot less likely because the event reporter can see the PC name and know they put the correct info in.
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But I am taking a picture of piece of paper. I am not the one who is harassing anyone. How am I a threat? How is me taking a picture of piece of paper a threat????
I get that people have been harassed. It has not happened at my lodge, at least to my knowledge.
And I don't hide behind an alias. I have my real name out there. Always have, always will. I am not scared to standup to people who are now try to bully me.
This conversation needs to end. This is no benefit to it. But if I feel like I am being bullied and attacked, I will defend myself.
Yeah.... the whole “I don’t hide and stand up for myself” tough guy macho thing isn’t a good look; especially while you’re wearing your VC hat and interacting with individuals who have had to deal with stalkers and other possibly traumatic experiences.
For your sake, I hope the conversation does end soon, because you’re making yourself look like a rather toxic community leader (I’m sure that isn’t actually the case).
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Some have pointed out that we could use a scanning system and avoid a lot of these issues. I've advocated for that in the past (and been attacked by the Luddites for it) and it is something that could address a lot of the issues discussed in these threads.
The real issue with it is that Paizo would have to have their end of the system work with a scanning reporting system. Then we would have to have a means of dealing with errors on the Org Play side. Depending on how prevalent the errors are, this could require few man-hours or many man-hours.
It really will depend on Paizo. However, this would go a long, long, long way to addressing privacy concerns along with reporting sessions online. Since Paizo wants to deal with privacy issues, I suggest they explore scanning as a reporting means.
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I will say, to try and get back to the original purpose of the thread, that as one of the reporters in my area, I will make a greater effort to report the tables before the next game day.
And to be honest, I have a a few tables I need to report tonight when I get home.
Agree with Steven, players can help the reports by registering their characters and setting a faction. The name help, that is for sure.
Another thing that players can do is to take the time to write clearly their numbers.
And with this post, I am done with this thread. I am going to hide it so if anyone wishes to address me, feel free to send me a PM.
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In a distant future I dream of Paizo incorporating a Warhorn-like setup where games are posted and signed up for on this one site, and reliance on third party props can be diminished. It would go a long way for their corporate image, and AcP could (in theory) seamlessly blend in with it.
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For people who have never reported a session you might not be aware that when you report a session and input their org play number and PC number the PC name/faction is autofilled as long as the PC has been registered.
Note that this does NOT always happen. The Paizo site is sometimes so slow and bogged down that the autofill just does not happen.
Which is a royal pain in the XXXX
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Note that this does NOT always happen. The Paizo site is sometimes so slow and bogged down that the autofill just does not happen.
Which is a royal pain in the XXXX
This is correct, if you wait a bit though it will autofill, or renter the info will work as well.
sometimes it does not autofill for me until I start filling out the next line.
I have never had it just not happen.
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Just to be clear, if you are using the “official” reporting sheet, there is no personal information on it that isn’t available by simply clicking on a person’s screen name so there is no reason to claim a safe space objection to a photo being taken of it. This is especially true at an event like Gen Con where upwards of 40 or more people have immediate access to the reporting sheet. OTOH, a lot of locations have decided to use their own version of the reporting sheet which includes questions such as real name, email address, even cell phone number. In that case, I would not encourage you to take a photo without getting consent.
While taking a photo is a good idea for all events, and something I do myself, it is especially important for large events like premier plus where there is a much higher chance of lost or misreported sheets. We generally do not like to report individual plays unless we can correct the actual table entry in it’s entirety. To do so, creates issues of redundant reporting and often introduces more errors than it corrects. By having a picture of the sheet, anyone from the table can aid us in correcting the table as opposed to just one player leaving the rest of the table to remain in error.
My main point was that as a policy for Paizo to have, "take a picture of other people's personal info" doesn't seem like a good one.
This isn’t a directive from Paizo. This is a recommendation from your volunteers who, like you, have to find ways to ensure the accuracy of their gaming history not for Paizo’s benefit, but for our own. Generally, we don’t ask Paizo to provide tools to circumvent their process, we expect them to fix their technical issues. Our efforts are in spite of their technical issues. I would guess that if they had the time and resources to create a bunch of short-term “patches” to use, they would just use that time, and those resources, to just fix the intended system. Course that’s just IMHO, not any special inside into their operation.
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The DM is already the most likely point of failure in the reporting system
I disagree unless you are making a direct equivalency between the GM and the reporting party. The most common point of failure is the person responsible for reporting the sheet, either because they didn’t do it, or entered erroneous data.
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Keep in mind that VOs no longer have access to view/fix events because people having access to that information was a privacy concern.
Not true. RVCs certainly have edit access and I believe it was restored to VCs as well. Paizo simply restricted access to many data points we used to be able to see. Course, due to the VO roster and NDAs being out of date, there are a lot of people who’s access scripts have not been activated so you’ll have to check with your RVC/VC to find out if they have received the access yet. That process is actively being updated so it should be accurate soon.
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My main point was that as a policy for Paizo to have, "take a picture of other people's personal info" doesn't seem like a good one.This isn’t a directive from Paizo. This is a recommendation from your volunteers who, like you, have to find ways to ensure the accuracy of their gaming history not for Paizo’s benefit, but for our own. Generally, we don’t ask Paizo to provide tools to circumvent their process, we expect them to fix their technical issues. Our efforts are in spite of their technical issues. I would guess that if they had the time and resources to create a bunch of short-term “patches” to use, they would just use that time, and those resources, to just fix the intended system. Course that’s just IMHO, not any special inside into their operation.
But what is being discussed in this thread is what Paizo can do to help people make sure that they get credit for their AcPs. When people say things like every player should be taking a photo of every reporting sheet, they are suggesting that should be the policy put in place for how to handle the proper reporting of AcPs. I expressed doubt that Paizo would endorse that as an official policy due to privacy concerns. When I or someone else suggests a fix that Paizo could put in place, like allowing AcPs to go negative by a small amount, and it’s countered with just take photos of the reporting sheets, that becomes Paizo’s policy if they choose not to do something else to help the situation.
There’s “what’s a good thing I can do to try to make sure my games are reported,” and there’s “what can Paizo do to give us a system that doesn’t result in a lot of missed records or accounts for the possibility that there might be delays in reporting?”
I’m going to take the rest of the discussion to a private message. (Edit: though it may be much later tonight before I’m able to sit down and type that up).
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The one thing I wished I'd done is write my email address on the form before they photograph
While you can certainly do whatever you want for your local events, I would encourage GMs and players not to write their personal information, like email addresses, on reporting sheets at premier plus events. We try very hard to keep the personal information of our participants private. We do not share the data gained from the questionnaires with anyone outside the organizing committee unless you approve it. Having personal information on the reporting sheets opens up avenues of access we do not want to be responsible for. Just please make sure the data is written clearly and completely. If we have an issue, we can cross reference the GM information from the reporting sheet with the volunteer database and reach out to the GM if it becomes necessary.
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Stuff.
I was approaching this from the perspective of what we can control. We can not control what Paizo does. Sure you can make suggestions for what you think they should do, but I would guess that if they had the time, interest, or resources to do as you requested, they would just address the actual issue and fix the AcP the way it’s supposed to work. But, as I said, that’s just a guess.
My point was that we as the players affected by the current state of affairs can do things on our own and within our purview to overcome any challenges we are experiencing. Taking pictures of your reporting sheet is one of those suggestions. It has been successful despite the technical glitches that exists. It’s just a good idea. You are welcome to heed that advice or not. I’m not saying that is the idea solution and certainly not one that Paizo should consider as a fix for the problem. It just makes good sense for us to protect the integrity of our play history and related rewards as much as we can until Paizo does fix the system.
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No matter what Paizo does, reporting is never going to be instantaneous. There will always be players who earn achievement points and want to use them before reporting occurs. Mid-convention, for example. Having a policy in place to handle those situations is part of the permanent solution. Or it should be. Allowing AcPs to go slightly negative is not a workaround. It’s a solution for the long term problem.
Edit: It’s important to point out that not everything is about ancestry boons. How do we handle a situation where a character is killed mid-convention and they need to use AcPs to raise the character, but they can’t afford to do so without the points they earned from the game they just played? It’s possible Paizo’s answer is that they don’t, and they can’t use those points until they are reported. I think that would be a shortsighted approach, as that will be a continuing issue even after the system is live and fully functional if there is not some process in place.
Taking photos of reporting sheets is a way to help reporting be more accurate. It is not an answer for how to handle a situation like I describe above.
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Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? The basis of your suggestions are all things Paizo has to do, which are out of our control. My comments are focused narrowly on things we can do to address some of the ongoing issues. While not saying it directly, you seem to be arguing against doing any of these things because they do not correct all issues with the reporting/AcP program.
For the majority of events (yes, I know there are outliers) GMs could report their tables in real time. At local conventions in our immediate area that I/we organize, we report in nearly real time during the slot immediately following when it was run. At our premier plus events, we staff so that the majority of the reporting can be completed in near real time with a minimum of reporting to complete after the events. These are all things within our purview to help the community be successful. Each and every one of us has to decide for themselves how much they are willing to invest to maintain the health their community. Would I like to see the online system fixed? Absolutely. Would I like to see some short-term foxes from Paizo to get us through until that happens? Probably. However, I’m not prepared to ignore the things we can do to help reduce the effect of those issues on the community when we have absolutely zero impact on Paizo’s actions no matter how much we complain about it
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I’m trying to clarify the difference between the two issues, so that a solution presented for one (players take photos) isn’t used to shut down discussion of the other (what can Paizo do long term to address the issue). You’re saying there’s no point in discussing the second one because we’re not Paizo. I don’t think it has ever been the case that Paizo has said the community should not bother discussing the things that Paizo is or could be doing to improve the experience for the players.
I’m not arguing against doing any of the things you are suggesting. I’m pointing out there there are two conversations going on about different aspects of the same issue. What can we as a community do (all the things you are pointing out), and what are some things Paizo might be able to do?
Why can’t both conversations happen at the same time? And why is clarifying who is talking about what a bad thing?
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Bob, is there a way to direct message you? Your PMs here seem to be turned off, and your email is no longer published on the organizer page. I want to respect your privacy and not go track it down in a previous guide without an ok to do so. What I have are really simple questions around the privacy concerns that I know you almost certainly have the context fo already, but which would require a very lengthy public post to talk around specifics, instead of just asking you directly in private.
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Get over it folks and move on.
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If I player at my table told me they were taking a picture against the wishes of a player at the table with that "deal with it" attitude, I'd ask you to leave. I'm happy to discuss and to come to any number of the reasonable accommodations proposed here. If you come with that high and mighty attitude, if you're gonna stomp your feet and tell me to move on you can play somewhere else. If someone has a concern, then you need to respect their privacy and their safety or you shouldn't be running public games.
Emphasis mine.
Having been called upon to assist three players in dealing with stalkers since I first became a VO, I want to take a moment to highlight this point that is far more important, in the grand scheme of things, than AcP.
If you've never had to care if somebody knows pieces of information about you, that's great, and you have no reason to feel bad about having that privilege (yes, I know it's a "buzzword" wielded like a bludgeon by some these days, but that's exactly what this is). To someone dealing with a stalker or something else/worse, even the info that they attended an event at X location is enough to put them in danger.
No, I'm not implying that GMs or VOs are going to frivolously post pictures of session sheets to the internet or something. But if somebody tells you that they have a safety concern, you listen, even if you don't see it the same way. Their experiences and yours are likely going to be different, so you need to respect that.
When I GM at conventions (that I don't also run/organize), I try to take pictures of my session sheets, too. If a player ever asked me not to - I wouldn't (or I would ask them if it would be okay for me to take the photo only after covering up all of their information with something). Yea, we have a responsibility to make sure reporting gets done and the system works, but I think that if we don't take care of our players' concerns, especially when they feel their safety is at stake, what the hell are we doing calling ourselves officers?
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Ok, I'll give this a try and attempt to keep it short(-ish).
Taking photos of reporting sheets is about more than whether a single piece of information on the reporting sheet is something that could be misused. When everyone is taking a picture of everything, that creates a record of player activity that is outside of Paizo's or the OPF's control. That may not be a big deal at a convention like Gen Con, which is going to be over and done with when it's over, but for ongoing game days it means that a collective record exists of who has attended what location and when, which could be used for a variety of improper purposes, including at the extremes predicting where the target of a stalker might be on a given day down to the time that the game is likely to be letting out. And neither Paizo nor the OPF knows who has access to that information.
Now, some history and questions for those who may know more. Please correct me if I've got any facts wrong.
1. Venture Officers (Venture Captains, at least) used to have access in Paizo's system to look up player records, view events, and edit events to fix small issues like a mistyped PFS#.
2. That access was removed in large part because Paizo considers a player's event history to be protected information and that Venture Officers should not have access to records outside of the areas in which they volunteer. (RVCs might still have this access, I'm not sure, but that's a very limited set of individuals).
3. This was related to an issue that came up where the event history was being used for purposes that it was not intended (not a stalker case or anything illegal, but still determined to be an issue).
4. These things were discussed publicly at the time, so I've not got any insight into the situation that hasn't already been shared with the community. I just don't want to drag specific individuals into the discussion that don't have anything to do with what is happening now. Because, you know, privacy concerns.
If Paizo has deemed this to be protected information to the point where their volunteer corps, which signs an agreement and has some degree of oversight, can't have access to view it, then why are we telling players, which Paizo and the OPF have no amount of control over, that it is ok for them to create a record of other players' activity without asking permission first?
Now, VOs may not be able to confirm what they have access to or not due to the NDA. If that's the case, then please talk amongst yourselves in the spaces you have available to do that and decide if promoting players (not GMs or VOs, who already have a copy of the information) taking photos as a de facto policy is really in the best interest of the OPF or the people who participate in the games that you host.
If this is going to be the suggestion pushed by the OPF, then please make that known as widely and loudly as possible, so that payers are aware that after they get up and walk away from the table, a GM might share the reporting sheet with the other players. There's been a lot of talk about using pseudonyms or alternate email addresses (when asked for) on the sign in sheets, but if players have an expectation that those sheets are going to be kept private, they may not think to do so. If those sheets aren't going to be kept private, then make sure everyone knows that so they can decide what information they want to list or not list when they are filling the sheets out. That is the case already online, where it's clear that anyone with access to the link to the sign in sheet can see the information that is included there, so players can arrange to have alternate information before they have to list it on the sheet. A player showing up at a game day who is unaware that the information might be shared does not have that forewarning and may not have taken the steps that they otherwise would if they knew the sheets were essentially going to be public documents.
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I fully support Paizo removing the persons name from the new session sheets. I am not sure why that was even added, it is not needed.
Without that there is no personal identifiers.
It’s pretty easy to associate a PFS # with a person, whether their name is on the sheet or not. But removing the name would be a big step toward protecting people if the photos are going to be happening.
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if players have an expectation that those sheets are going to be kept private, they may not think to do so. If those sheets aren't going to be kept private
From day 1 of my joining PFS, I never had any expectation of privacy when I filled out a reporting sheet.
Sitting in the open in a public gaming store or public library is not a private activity. A GM is a random person I've never met before a given day. Some of the GMs are children. I pass the sheet to the next random stranger sitting at the table after I put my details on the reporting sheet. Why would I ever have any expectation of privacy?
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Bob, is there a way to direct message you?
I am available by email:
pfs.illinois@gmail.com (personal/private email I use for gaming business)eventteam@organizedplayfoundation.org (official email associated with my new role as Premier Event Coordinator. It is semi-private with access by both myself and the acting director of OPF)
I am now in the Discord channels associated with the VO group, but also available by DM
I am on Slack, generally used for event coordination, but again available by DM
I am on Facebook and therefore available through their messenger app
You are correct in that I have my DM through Paizo deactivated because I honestly cannot remember to check it on a regular basis and I try to respond to people within 24 hours.
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I will only speak in an official capacity in how this issue impacts the Premier Plus events. We will continue to encourage both GMs and players to photograph the reporting sheet before it is submitted to HQ. It is one of the few ways we can ensure proper processing of reported errors after the fact. We continue to use the official reporting sheet which include no personal information other than the actual name of the GM. We do not consider the PFS# to be “personal” in so much as it is used as a public identifier to track players and their play history within the scope of the OPF.
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I will only speak in an official capacity in how this issue impacts the Premier Plus events. We will continue to encourage both GMs and players to photograph the reporting sheet before it is submitted to HQ. It is one of the few ways we can ensure proper processing of reported errors after the fact. We continue to use the official reporting sheet which include no personal information other than the actual name of the GM. We do not consider the PFS# to be “personal” in so much as it is used as a public identifier to track players and their play history within the scope of the OPF.
Thanks, Bob. This is an important clarification to get, because as seen earlier in this thread, at least one Venture Captain took the directive at Gencon and expanded it to other events based on the fact that you had given those instructions.
Someone attending a Premier Plus event (edit: now knows, though I hope it's communicated in a place they are more likely to see sometime before the event) knows that their record of being there will be public, and they can decide for themselves whether or not they are comfortable with that.
That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying don't make this the policy in your area. But if you do, make sure that people know it is happening. It was brought up in this thread as though it was already the expectation. If it's going to be the policy across all of PFS, then it needs to be included in a blog, the community guidelines may need reviewed, and VOs need to be educated about how to communicate to people that it is happening and why.
This isn't something we should just decide to start doing on our own.
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I certainly understand the need to protect personal information, but I have to agree with Blake's Tiger that I do not believe that a record of being present at a public event could be considered personal information. I understand it if information like email address, cell phone numbers, etc are being shared, but the official campaign documents don't include that information. Character name/number and faction are not personal information. If someone has cause to be concerned for their privacy, yet presents them-self at a reoccurring public event, there is an inconsistency there that I cannot wrap my head around.
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I certainly understand the need to protect personal information, but I have to agree with Blake's Tiger that I do not believe that a record of being present at a public event could be considered personal information. I understand it if information like email address, cell phone numbers, etc are being shared, but the official campaign documents don't include that information. Character name/number and faction are not personal information. If someone has cause to be concerned for their privacy, yet presents them-self at a reoccurring public event, there is an inconsistency there that I cannot wrap my head around.
It is the consistent collection of that information by everyone at the table that is the concern. It's not an issue of someone might see your org play number as you pass the sheet around. It's that every person who attends that game walks away with a photographic record of it. When that is happening at every game, everywhere, then essentially a complete record of everyone's event history will exist outside of Paizo. It might take effort for someone to piece everything together for whatever their goal is, but the information will be out there in order for them to do that.
EDIT: For example, for a small area, a stalker only has to get access to one person's phone to be able to see a record of who is attending what sessions. Removing names helps with that, but it's not hard to associate a PFS # with a name or to imagine a situation where the stalker already has that knowledge.