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The Daemon bloodline has some nice feats that really fit the theme of the bloodline, but one of them... a sorcerer cannot EVER take without multiclassing.
Heroic Defiance not only requires the Diehard and Endurance feats, but also a BASE +8 Fortitude Save. That's some serious multiclassing into a martial class to qualify for it before level 20 and even if you wait until then you are still only a level 19 sorcerer at level 20 which kinda sucks... cause really dipping a level just to qualify for a feat at level 20? Who's gonna do that?
So, was this a major oversight by the writer of the bloodline that the editors didn't notice? Because Pathfinder has always been much more "multiclassing is bad, mkay?" than 3.5 was. So this is kind of like... whaaaaaaat?
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The trick is to take 2 or three martial classes. you could have it as early as 10th level.
Well, right but my point is if you do that you're seriously gimping yourself as a sorcerer. It's like that feat's prerequisites are insane or even impossible for a sorcerer to meet, especially when Paizo specifically set the game up to discourage multiclassing for the most part...
Daemons are Neutral Evil, and care not for the woes of their misbegotten descendants. Sad, but true.
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Daemons are Neutral Evil, and care not for the woes of their misbegotten descendants. Sad, but true.
Funny, but not relevant. The alignment of Daemons doesn't mean anything, what matters in this case are the rules. Paizo's staff are not Daemons... granted, they might be neutral evil I don't know (haha kidding... I don't think any of them are NE)
Just seems like a poorly written feat choice to me. The 'why' is probably 'deadlines'. It's likely the editor/writer forgot that sorcs can't bypass prereqs for their bonus feats.
There are a lot of awful design decisions in pathfinder books, so finding one is hardly a mark of credit. The APG is generally very well written though, so kudos finding one in there there I guess.
Ummmm... I am sure I am missing something here... But while a sorcerer would have a difficult time managing it, a single class bloodrager would only need to be lvl 12, where you conveniently get a bloodline feat. Indeed, bloodrager doesn't seem too weird with a daemon bloodline, and surviving better in close combat is pretty good for a bloodline focused around touch spells... If you dip one level Unbreakable fighter, you get both Diehard and Endurance for free and you need only level 9 to qualify, but you would have to be ftr 1 / bloodrager 9 to get the bloodline feat.
Edit: Ah. As I said, I did miss something.
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Now you're starting to go overboard. Just because you can't see any good coming of an option doesn't mean nobody can. There are countless ways to make a character, and I have a serious issue with the rise of what appears to me almost like a "church of gaming" that thinks in terms of a handful of pseudoscientific models and rudely rebuffs anything it sees or hears that doesn't make sense in that limited context.
Bloodrager has no reason to care about Sorcerer bloodline bonus feats.
Sorcerer feats are a mess. This is nothing new. Every bloodline I've skimmed has a feat that's a blatantly terrible option, Daemon is just one more on the pile.
How would you restructure the offending bloodline, then?
Now you're starting to go overboard. Just because you can't see any good coming of an option doesn't mean nobody can. There are countless ways to make a character, and I have a serious issue with the rise of what appears to me almost like a "church of gaming" that thinks in terms of a handful of pseudoscientific models and rudely rebuffs anything it sees or hears that doesn't make sense in that limited context.
Speaking of going overboard...
Thankfully, I deal in house-rules, otherwise stuff like this would really bother me.
On a tangential topic, I should start a group called "FRAW." I'll leave it to you fine folks to decipher what the letters stand for. ;)
Well if you are taking a prestige class like dragon disciple or eldritch knight anyway, you can get it a more reasonable level.
Thankfully, I deal in house-rules, otherwise stuff like this would really bother me.
On a tangential topic, I should start a group called "FRAW." I'll leave it to you fine folks to decipher what the letters stand for. ;)
Somewhat agree.
There are a couple classes that "ignore" requirements for Bonus Feats, but sadly, Sorcerers aren't one of them. My GM house rules that anyone that has a specific list of feats can ignore the requirements for those feats when gained as a "bonus feat". It has worked out well so far.