How does an alignment of non neutral work on something that logically can only have a neutral alignment?


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Helm of Opposite Alignment works on animals, but they have animal level intelligence, meaning they aren’t intelligent enough to actually have an alignment, hence why even the most destructive and carnivorous ones still have an alignment of true neutral.

This confuses me, because you could legit have a Lawful Good T-Rex, and I have no idea how it would behave.


Well, assuming an animal could legitimately wear the helmet (just being able to stick its head in doesn't necessarily make it function), then it should work as reasonable. A T-rex, probably not, but a gorilla or something could put one on.

If it's strictly an animal and doesn't really have a concept or intelligence to inherently be evil or good... then you can fairly just say it doesn't have any appreciable effect. Alternately... you could just make it a really good or evil animal (evil is probably more interesting).


The same way an intelligent creature with an alignment reduced to animal level intelligence does.

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I would personally rule it just wouldn't work on them. Also, on a tangentally related note I've always thought it was weird how undead with - int are usually still evil. I guess the implication is that it's from the evil magic animating them, but that doesn't make much sense when you think about it as say, a (nonintelligent) unholy weapon doesn't have any alignment and you can't, say, use smite evil on it.


I don't see a reason why an animal couldn't become non-neutral if the change was caused by a curse.


I don't see the issue. There's no Intelligence requirement to have an alignment.


The Summon Monster Spells summon animals with your alignment. Granted those animals get a template, but the templates don't change their intelligence. As to how different a lawful good T-Rex is from a neutral one, I couldn't say.


Yqatuba wrote:
I would personally rule it just wouldn't work on them. Also, on a tangentally related note I've always thought it was weird how undead with - int are usually still evil. I guess the implication is that it's from the evil magic animating them, but that doesn't make much sense when you think about it as say, a (nonintelligent) unholy weapon doesn't have any alignment and you can't, say, use smite evil on it.

Unholy weapons are evil.

I was about to say that Smite Evil does not work on it because it is not a creature, but actually it just says "and evil target", so you can smite an unholy sword just fine (although still probably better to go for the weilder in most circumstances).

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blahpers wrote:
I don't see the issue. There's no Intelligence requirement to have an alignment.

Case in point: chaotic neutral rogues.


If I used alignment, I would treat it like a number line, changing the positive or negative before the digit. +3 becomes -3, -2 becomes +2; neutral or unaligned (as I prefer to think of the 'not intelligent enough to make moral choices') are zeroes, and there's no difference between positive zero and negative zero.

TL;DR - Nothing would happen.

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