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Activate Two Actions Interact; Effect You lift an object of up to 8 Bulk as though it were weightless. This requires two hands, and if the object is locked or otherwise held in place, you can attempt to Force it Open using Athletics as part of this activation. The object still has its full weight and Bulk for all other purposes—you just ignore that weight. The effect lasts until the end of your next turn.
No daily limit, does this mean we can yeet a cart at someone?
If a cart is bulk 5 and you add people onto it, can we throw a cart with people on it? With climb speed, could people latch onto a boulder while we throw it? I'm getting some good Breath of the Wild vibes here.
I think the object itself is weightless in this situation, but not separate objects or entities attached to it (otherwise you could technically throw any creature no matter how large just by having it stand on the cart)
If I recall correctly, a medium creature is counted as like 10 bulk (maybe more) so I don't think you'll be lifting a cart.
Maybe a small table.
When you realize that full plate is 4 bulk, I think you get an idea of the scale of what this will let you do, which isn't nearly as much as you want it to be.
I think the object itself is weightless in this situation, but not separate objects or entities attached to it (otherwise you could technically throw any creature no matter how large just by having it stand on the cart)
Hmm. Still usable item, imagine the ability to block things and just...throw bad things away.
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I don't think that you can throw heavy stuff with this belt. As it only says you treat it as weightless when you lift it and then exclusively states the object has its full weight and bulk for all other purposes.
I don't think that you can throw heavy stuff with this belt. As it only says you treat it as weightless when you lift it and then exclusively states the object has its full weight and bulk for all other purposes.
I was unsure about that too but that last line changed my mind at least. I could be wrong but if I can rip a thing off it's fixtures, it makes sense to be able to throw it as well.
"The object still has its full weight and Bulk for all other purposes—you just ignore that weight. The effect lasts until the end of your next turn."
I agree that it probably doesn't let you throw things around.
It's also worth noting this rule:
This entry gives the armor’s Bulk, assuming you’re wearing the armor and distributing its weight across your body. A suit of armor that’s carried or worn usually has 1 more Bulk than what’s listed here (or 1 Bulk total for armor of light Bulk). An armor’s Bulk is increased or decreased if it’s sized for creatures that aren’t Small or Medium in size, following the rules on page 295.
So full plate that your holding has bulk 5. I can't find anything in the CRB with a higher bulk stated at this time, but basically you can do not quite 2 piles of full plate armor.
Tower shield are 4 bulk I believe, so there is another data point.
Does anyone have any examples of bulk closer to 8?
I agree that it probably doesn't let you throw things around.
It's also worth noting this rule:
This entry gives the armor’s Bulk, assuming you’re wearing the armor and distributing its weight across your body. A suit of armor that’s carried or worn usually has 1 more Bulk than what’s listed here (or 1 Bulk total for armor of light Bulk). An armor’s Bulk is increased or decreased if it’s sized for creatures that aren’t Small or Medium in size, following the rules on page 295.So full plate that your holding has bulk 5. I can't find anything in the CRB with a higher bulk stated at this time, but basically you can do not quite 2 piles of full plate armor.
Tower shield are 4 bulk I believe, so there is another data point.
Does anyone have any examples of bulk closer to 8?
Medium creatures are 6, as are petrified small creatures. For an 8, a Large tower shield is 8 while a huge chest, greatsword or longbow would be 8 too.
Am I blind, or was the name of this belt not mentioned?lifting belt
I don't think that you can throw heavy stuff with this belt. As it only says you treat it as weightless when you lift it and then exclusively states the object has its full weight and bulk for all other purposes.I was unsure about that too but that last line changed my mind at least. I could be wrong but if I can rip a thing off it's fixtures, it makes sense to be able to throw it as well.
"The object still has its full weight and Bulk for all other purposes—you just ignore that weight. The effect lasts until the end of your next turn."
you can "lift it" just fine, but if you try to throw it is has the same bulk and weight as normal, so you actually can't.
think of it more like a "forklift" and less like a "catapult".
a very good representation would be actual weightlifters. They can raise a ton of weight, but they can't throw it around. The belt makes you an amazing weightlifter, but apart from moving the weight around, you can just (usually) just drop it at your feet when you're done with it.
Kind of agree but also if the weightlifter picked up a bell that weighted nothing, he'd be able to fling it across the room. Not sure the comparison translates that well due to the text saying "The object still has its full weight and Bulk for all other purposes—you just ignore that weight." For all other purposes could reasonably include throwing, which "you just ignore that weight."
Kind of agree but also if the weightlifter picked up a bell that weighted nothing, he'd be able to fling it across the room. Not sure the comparison translates that well due to the text saying "The object still has its full weight and Bulk for all other purposes—you just ignore that weight." For all other purposes could reasonably include throwing, which "you just ignore that weight."Am I blind, or was the name of this belt not mentioned?lifting belt
I don't think that you can throw heavy stuff with this belt. As it only says you treat it as weightless when you lift it and then exclusively states the object has its full weight and bulk for all other purposes.I was unsure about that too but that last line changed my mind at least. I could be wrong but if I can rip a thing off it's fixtures, it makes sense to be able to throw it as well.
"The object still has its full weight and Bulk for all other purposes—you just ignore that weight. The effect lasts until the end of your next turn."
you can "lift it" just fine, but if you try to throw it is has the same bulk and weight as normal, so you actually can't.
think of it more like a "forklift" and less like a "catapult".
a very good representation would be actual weightlifters. They can raise a ton of weight, but they can't throw it around. The belt makes you an amazing weightlifter, but apart from moving the weight around, you can just (usually) just drop it at your feet when you're done with it.
You misunderstood the thing you quoted :
For all other purposes (except lifting that was just previously mentioned in the same paragraph) it has normal weight/bulk.
So, you lift it like it's a feather, but for ALL other purposes (like throwing) it has its normal weight/bulk.
Going back to my weightlifter example, after you lift the weights, regardless if you lifted them via sheer strength...
Huh, thought the the "you just ignore that weight." was directly tied to the "It has full weight and bulk for all other purposes." Then again english is my third language, it's just a bit strange that the wording tied with a dash - doesn't apply to the sentence it's part of, but the sentence that came before it.
If read that strictly, this means that if you use the belt on a a thing like a Lantern(1) bulk, you must use two hands or the bulk isn't negated. If there's no ceiling space to lift a thing, it also means we can't drag them across the floor since it wouldn't be negated for dragging.
It has full weight for all (other) purposes is directly opposite of "you ignore that weight".
It could have been written better, though.
And yes, it doesn't help you with "drag" or anything like that.
Only with lift (doesn't need to be overhead lift though, so ceiling space is less of a concern)
If it was supposed to help you with everything bulk/weight related, it would simply give you extra bulk without extra bells and whistles.
You have to keep in mind that's also a very early item. Making you able to throw boulders like a fire giant is outside the scope of it (which probably is helping you carry treasure after a dungeon run, or help vs obstacles before you can just negate them with magic)
Guess that makes a bit more sense. I suppose I was thinking along lines of Thor's Hammer. It has it's full weight for all other purposes, such as placing it on someone, but you ignore that weight when handling the item. I think it'd be better if they had removed that "you just ignore that weight" line, since then it'd be one sentence about lifting the object, and then the one after is "it has full weight for all other purposes."
I didn't think it was meant to help with everything bulk/weight related since it's 1 round duration and only works on that one item you lift there and then. Still an useful piece of gear, if not for blocking entrances with heavy objects.
It has full weight for all (other) purposes is directly opposite of "you ignore that weight".
It could have been written better, though.
And yes, it doesn't help you with "drag" or anything like that.
Only with lift (doesn't need to be overhead lift though, so ceiling space is less of a concern)
If it was supposed to help you with everything bulk/weight related, it would simply give you extra bulk without extra bells and whistles.
You have to keep in mind that's also a very early item. Making you able to throw boulders like a fire giant is outside the scope of it (which probably is helping you carry treasure after a dungeon run, or help vs obstacles before you can just negate them with magic)
Guess that makes a bit more sense. I suppose I was thinking along lines of Thor's Hammer. It has it's full weight for all other purposes, such as placing it on someone, but you ignore that weight when handling the item. I think it'd be better if they had removed that "you just ignore that weight" line, since then it'd be one sentence about lifting the object, and then the one after is "it has full weight for all other purposes."
I didn't think it was meant to help with everything bulk/weight related since it's 1 round duration and only works on that one item you lift there and then. Still an useful piece of gear, if not for blocking entrances with heavy objects.
Oh, for certain it's super useful even without throwing.
Moving massive cover around, clearing blocked roads/entrances, blocking roads/entrances, lifting a fully armored party member out of a pit, building "fortifications" in minutes, etc
The ability to mimic Ovelix with his menhirs, even for limited bouts of time, is not to be ignored.
Doubt this works but think one could potentially use it with Athletics roll for initative to rip something off it's hinged and create cover?