Ganondorf The Great King of Evil


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What good is having the Triforce of power if you don't have power attack right?!?!

Anyways, I'm wondering what some of you think would be a very appropriate build style for Ganondorf. Let's say a 10th level Ganondorf. You and I both know, that in reality, he wouldn't be anywhere less than level 100, but let's keep it simple, shall we?

1) Gotta have that juicy juicy Power
2) Can implement his schoolbus sized sword.
3) Can just as easily splatter your brains with his fists.
4) Can wield magic.
5) Did i mention power, this guy is one bad mamma jamma

Functionally, he feels like a bloodrager to me, though I'm not sure how appropriate I feel about the whole uncontrollable rageness panning out.

Thoughts?


My first thoughts are that King Ganondorf (hail the king) is a Gestalt character, mainly because he's bad-ass strong. Like you said, schoolbussizedsword and magic, yet not paladin/bloodrager/ranger style magic, but more sorcerer/oracle style magic (i.e. high lvl magic).

So my first guess is a gestalt character, probably figter/barbarian with sorcerer/oracle.

Silver Crusade

Level 100 is absurd. He would probably top out at 14. He's an evil outsider, definitely with regeneration that can only be suppressed by Holy weapons. Likely has both Possession abilities and the ability to change shape, going off of Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time, respectively. Especially since it's supposed to always be the same Gannon, rather than reincarnations like Zelda and Link.

I'd probably use a modified Hezrou demon for him.

Dark Archive

Yeah, Ganondorf isn't powerful enough to beat demigods easily :p


Gotta remember that he has to be strong, but weak enough that a teenager with a fancy sword can walk into his castle at the height of his power and beat him 1v1.


Val'bryn2 wrote:
Level 100 is absurd.

That was a typo. I meant to say level 1000.

Silver Crusade

I actually did look at doing Zelda as Pathfinder. If we accept Link as a character, each Heart Container is one level, meaning that on a quick run, Link from OoT would be roughly 9th level when going up against Ganon. I arrived at that figure based on Link as a d8 HD class, so it goes for 4 HP on a level-up.


Depends on which game you're taking from, as he shows dramatically different abilities in each game. OOT Ganondorf uses magic almost exclusively in combat, while WW Ganondorf uses martial combat exclusively, while his depiction in Smash seems to involve magically-enhanced physical attacks. You probably need to pick one specific Ganondorf incarnation and build to that, as his depiction changes erratically between games.

Shadow Lodge

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Firstly, you'd (well, I'd) have to homebrew a PC-playable gerudo. Medium size, floating +2, maybe +2 to Stealth/Perception/saves against heatstroke or electricity?

For Ganondorf, there are a few ways you could go. Two-weapon anti-paladin of Demise, maybe a shifter, or if you're thinking of Super Smash Bros. how about a hexcrafter magus? He hits you with a Slumber hex, so to all the world he grabs you and you fall down asleep at his feet. Don't forget to Spellstrike a Force Punch with an actual unarmed strike!
Though he'd have a hard time doing Spell Combat with a greatsword...

As for the Triforce of Power, it could give him Power Attack as a bonus feat, count as a slotless Amulet of Mighty Fists, and most likely give him DR 15/Good, so naturally you'd need a Holy Longsword to break through it.

I was actually thinking of homebrewing a LoZ adventure, and put thought into a PC Ganondorf allying with Link, Zelda, and maybe Impa or Groose against a different incarnation of Ganon.


I think the same Ganondolf, reincarnated Link and Zelda story starts as early as Ocarina of Time. The first reincarnation being Wind Waker.


OmniMage wrote:
I think the same Ganondolf, reincarnated Link and Zelda story starts as early as Ocarina of Time. The first reincarnation being Wind Waker.

(Caveat: Nintendo has a habit of changing their mind on the lore every time they release a new game, so they could contradict any of this at any moment, but this is the lore as I currently understand it)

Windwaker is actually one of only two Links that is canonically not a reincarnation (the other is Skyward Sword, which is the original Link). He's a completely unrelated character who picks up the mantle of the previous Link and assumes his role, and subsequently starts reincarnating in a similar fashion.

Link and Zelda's reincarnation chain is established in Skyward Sword, where Zelda is the mortal incarnation of a goddess and Link is her lover/protector, and do battle with the demon called Demise. At this point Ganondorf doesn't exist, but it's heavily implied that he must be the mortal incarnation of Demise.

Ocarina of Time is roughly the midpoint of the timeline, and also where things start getting weird. When Ganondorf broke the Triforce into three pieces in OOT he actually broke reality into three separate parallel timelines. In each of these timelines one of the Triforce shards was dominant, and its respective wielder prevailed.

In the first timeline Ganondorf defeated Link and Zelda and ruled over an age of darkness; this is the "game over" timeline of OOT. The next game in that timeline is Link to the Past. Ganondorf has completely lost his humanity in this timeline and has devolved into the demon Ganon.

The second timeline is the one where Zelda successfully prevents Ganondorf's evil rise to power; this is the "child" timeline of OOT, and Link returns to this timeline at the end of OOT to live out his childhood (leading to Major's Mask). The next incarnation of Link in this timeline is Twilight Princess.

The third timeline is the one where Link confronts Ganondorf as an adult in an epic showdown and seals him away. This is the "adult" timeline of OOT. At the end of the game Link returns to the past to live out his childhood. However, when he does this he jumps ship to a completely different timeline. As a result, he can no longer reincarnate in this timeline. When Ganondorf returns there is no hero to face him and Hyrule is flooded. This leads to Windwaker, where the new Link is actually a completely new character who must seek out the Triforce of courage and take up the mantle of Link. He doesn't inherit it, he earns it. It is later shown in Spirit Tracks that Link is now reincarnating normally, indicating that the new Link in this timeline has completely replaced the old.

So if we group together reincarnations we get:

Link 1: original incarnation in Skyward Sword and reincarnating in all games except Windwaker/Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks.
Link 2: original incarnation in Windwaker, continues adventuring in Phantom Hourglass, and reincarnates in Spirit Tracks.
Zelda: original incarnation in Skyward Sword and reincarnating in all games.
Ganondorf: only incarnation in Ocarina of Time, and otherwise immortal and existing as a timeless adversary in all timelines.


Dasrak wrote:
OmniMage wrote:
I think the same Ganondolf, reincarnated Link and Zelda story starts as early as Ocarina of Time. The first reincarnation being Wind Waker.
(Caveat: Nintendo has a habit of changing their mind on the lore every time they release a new game, so they could contradict any of this at any moment, but this is the lore as I currently understand it)

Well, I've fallen behind on the series, so you probably know more than me then. I was just recalling something I read long ago.


I tend to like kineticists for villains. Depending on the build, you can have a villain that can personally murder armies (long range AoE spam, fast speed to do guerilla tactics, various defenses against normal soldiers, etc.) without being overpowered in the fast pace close quarters style of fights typically used in this game system.

Kineticists are also useful because you can look into both melee and ranged options that could allow you to find your preferred style at any particular moment.


Keep in mind that after OoT, Ganon had practically gone from being a Human Fighter/Sorcerer/Eldritch Knight to being a Demon Fighter/Sorcerer/Eldritch Knight.

Oracle of Ages/Seasons has link fight through over 14 dungeons, each with a miniboss and a boss, take on a Dragon Fighter and a Fairy Sorceress before battling a pair of witches who are in fact the split personalities of an even more powerful witch. And after all of that, he still must take on the demon king, though granted, the demon is just a mindless raging monster due to a botched ritual.

Depending on which game and version of Link/Ganon(dorf), Ganon could very well be CR20.

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