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Few days ago my DM told me a thing about metamagic, a character must be able to cast the spell with the metamagic applied before reduction.
This is not a rule. Your GM may be confusing this with Spell Perfection, which has a stipulation similar to that.
i was using the metamagic feat Dazing spell on fireball and throw 2 traits i was reducing the cost of that metamagic to +1 (instead of +3).
This one is controversial, and it's unclear whether these traits actually can stack. The uneasy consensus is that as written they probably stack, but it definitely violates to the spirit of the rules to allow them to stack.
i was using the metamagic feat Dazing spell on fireball and throw 2 traits i was reducing the cost of that metamagic to +1 (instead of +3).This one is controversial, and it's unclear whether these traits actually can stack. The uneasy consensus is that as written they probably stack, but it definitely violates to the spirit of the rules to allow them to stack.
Yeah, it probably is legal, but it's been argued a lot. I would probably pick a different trait for one of them, or pick a different spell to use for one of them. While you're probably in the right, it's not worth being right to annoy the GM.
I usually check any unusual build options with my GM before starting play, just to make sure everyone's on the same page.
If I was running a game and someone tried to cheese with Wayang Spellhunter, I'd ask them how being raised in Wayang society factored into the character's backstory and personality.
MrCharisma is right: always check with the GM if there's anything ambiguous before anything begins.
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If I was running a game and someone tried to cheese with Wayang Spellhunter, I'd ask them how being raised in Wayang society factored into the character's backstory and personality.
Regional Traits only require you to have lived in the specified region 1 year or more. In other words, they hardly require you to spin your background around them, apart from a single line on your CV about your study abroad experience maybe.
Apart from that, I'm also part of this school of thought. I have played a blaster before, and theorycrafted a couple more, and I have never stacked the two traits. I believe Wayang Spellhunter exists to give players the opportunity to spend their Magic Trait elsewhere and still get a (restricted) metamagic cost reduction. Traits should be used to personalize your character, and it's so sad to read in literally every blaster's resume the same line:
4713 - 4714: Master's Degree in Magical Sciences, University of Minata
I guess for reference I'll add these:
One of your parents was a gifted spellcaster who not only used metamagic often, but also developed many magical items and perhaps even a new spell or two—and you have inherited a fragment of this greatness.
Benefit: Pick one spell when you choose this trait. When you apply metamagic feats to this spell that add at least 1 level to the spell, treat its actual level as 1 lower for determining the spell’s final adjusted level.
Your ability to alter your spell of choice is greater than expected.
Choose: A spell of 3rd level or below.
Benefit: When you use the chosen spell with a metamagic feat, it uses up a spell slot one level lower than it normally would.
While it might be tempting to go for Magical Lineage/Wayang Spellhunter, I think you'd get more benefit from traits like Reactionary, Desperate Resolve, and any trait that gives you a Class Skill with +1 trait bonus, and then take the Feat Additional Traits (and use that feat to pick up Magical Lineage/Wayang Spellhunter).
My reasoning is this: if you have Lineage/Wayang as a feat, you can change it to different spells with retraining later in the game. If they're picked as original traits, they cannot be changed.
While it might be tempting to go for Magical Lineage/Wayang Spellhunter, I think you'd get more benefit from traits like Reactionary, Desperate Resolve, and any trait that gives you a Class Skill with +1 trait bonus, and then take the Feat Additional Traits (and use that feat to pick up Magical Lineage/Wayang Spellhunter).
My reasoning is this: if you have Lineage/Wayang as a feat, you can change it to different spells with retraining later in the game. If they're picked as original traits, they cannot be changed.
This is even more cheese than the original traits. Especially when combined.
IMHO:
- Metamagic is HARD for a reason. Trying to circumvent the penalties to get even more destructive POWAH is cheese. I like cheese on my burgers, but not so much in my RPGs. YMMV.
- Trait bonuses are not supposed to stack. Claiming these ones should stack because the wording is slightly different is extra-sharp cheddar cheese. Or concoyotte. When concoyotte spills in the trunk of your Mercedes driving home from the Jura, it makes for a very smelly cheese that stinks up your car for a year.
- Claiming that every metamagic wizard grew up in a Wayang village on a Minatan island (to justify the trait bonus) is just extra, extra cheese.
This said, if you can convince your DM to let you do this, it's his problem. But don't be surprised if 16-ton weights falling from extra-dimensional spaces annoy your character.