Part 6 Red Flags: Map scale confusion


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I'm looking at the map of Talon Citadel in Red Flags, and the scale says 1 square = 5 feet. Ok, it seems about right overall then.

But upon looking closer and reading the text, I find a lot of inconsistencies:

Spoilered for Obvious DM reasons:

It describes the approach as being narrow, to the point where rounding the first talon bastion would require horses to be shoulder to shouler. As it stands, the space on the map is barely enough for a single medium humanoid to comfortably walk, much less two horses.

In N5, the stairs leading to the 20' ramparts would be very steep (6 inch tread over 12 inch rise).

Likewise the stairs leading to the N8 from N7. There needs to be room for the tunnels leading to N9 and N10, so N8 must be 10 feet up, which means those stairs are very steep.

N11 describes the stairs leading down as 10 feet down, same problem. N11 also describes the trapped area of floor as 20 feet, rather than the 10 on the map. This creates a distinct tactical change relative to the trap in the room.

N14 describes the mirrors as 10 foot with 20 foot danger zones. The map describes half those measurements. Again, this creates problems with how the trap in the room is resolved.

The occupant of N15 is gargantuan, but at the listed scale has no location it could actually fit in using its native move speed without squeezing.

The problem is that many other map elements remain correct, like the beds in the servants quarters and the tables in the gambling area. Even the stairs being overly steep is understandable, but the actual contradictions between map and text in areas N11 and 14 really stick out.

All of this said, the point of this adventure was more to playtest roleplaying and skill interactions, rather than stress test more combat. But it also does admittedly become a small dungeon crawl past a certain point. Should the map size be doubled to be accurate to the text? Should only parts? Should it just be left as is, despite the contradictions?

Hoping for an official weigh in, as those map/text contradictions strike me as tangible problems rather than cosmetic oversights. Other opinions are welcome as well!


I think this was in the first or second errata.
Map scale is off, should be 1 square = 10 feet


And there is the answer, just as you said! Thanks!

Still need to deal with the implications of the now oversized servant quarters, but that is far more tolerable than the alternative!

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