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Unless I missed something it seems like the higher your proficiency is the worse the penalty is.
So when you choose to do nonlethal you are treated as untrained. So without any feats or class abilities to help (not actually sure if there is a way)
22 Strength (Starting 18. +1 each at 5, 10, 15, 20)
At 20th level if I am Legendary in Simple Weapons
Lethal = +29 to hit (20 lvl + 3 legendary + 6 Strength)
Nonlethal = +24 (20 lvl + -2 untrained + 6 Strength)
VS Trained (Same Stats)
Lethal = +26 to hit (20 lvl + 6 Strength)
Nonlethal = +24 (20 lvl + -2 untrained + 6 Strength)
Seems the higher your proficiency bonus is the more of a penalty you take. This seems counter productive. You would think the better trained in a weapon you are the better you are at using the weapon especially for off uses.
Again not sure if I am missing something, maybe in the math...
You are correct, it's more of a penalty the better you are at using a weapon. I can see a way that makes sense though. All of that training is to use the weapon properly (which is a lethal use), and to use it improperly (for nonlethal use) would be increasingly difficult the more you trained you were. I would compare it to when a person suddenly needs to sleep later and wake up at noon. Someone who hasn't established a routine of waking up early will not be at much of a loss to wake up later, but someone who has awoken at 5am every day for years will find it rather difficult.
All your reflexes are trained for lethal damage. It's hard to override that. Still,I think you should be able to train (i.e. take a feat) for causing non - lethal. And/or lower penalties for master and legendary proficiency
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Given Non-lethal isn’t a damage type anymore, and you’re more than likely to be hitting a target that is prone, flat-footed, blind, or all of the above plus some other penalties to AC. I don’t see a problem.
However I agree with Michael Smith, it seems weird that you have to suddenly drop your experience with a weapon to knock a guy out. Or you could just kill them.