Do alchemists start with four formulas, or eight?


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"You gain the Alchemical Crafting feat (see page 162), even if you don’t meet that feat’s prerequisites, and you gain the four additional common 1st-level alchemical formulas that feat grants."

This is very poorly-worded. Do alchemists start with four formulas, or eight?


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They start with 8 total: 4 from their formula book, plus another 4 from the Alchemical Crafting bonus feat. It'd be more clear if they didn't put the class features in alphabetical order here

Scarab Sages

Right - there was confusion here, however for additional clarification, the sidebar on pg. 51 gives a sample 1st level Formula Book that shows 8 formulas.. Pg. 46 says you get a formula book with 4 common 1st level. Then on Page 45 says you get the 4 additional from the Alchemical Crafting Feat.

I wonder if the Formula book should be placed before the Advanced Alchemy paragraph. That should clear up any confusion.

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Also it would be nice to have a formula book section on the Character sheet. Always struggled to see about listing them in the spellbook section as the magic and alchemical items section really should be for inventory vs. formulas that you know.


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Christopher Howard wrote:
Also it would be nice to have a formula book section on the Character sheet. Always struggled to see about listing them in the spellbook section as the magic and alchemical items section really should be for inventory vs. formulas that you know.

Don't like some of the changes but I will echo this.

PF1 Extracts were magical enough to be placed on Spell section easily. But now we have to list items we make not cast. And woe be to you if you list those Formulas in spell section only to pick up casting some how.

Proper Formula sheet/section would be nice to have.


Eliphas Levi wrote:

Right - there was confusion here, however for additional clarification, the sidebar on pg. 51 gives a sample 1st level Formula Book that shows 8 formulas.. Pg. 46 says you get a formula book with 4 common 1st level. Then on Page 45 says you get the 4 additional from the Alchemical Crafting Feat.

I wonder if the Formula book should be placed before the Advanced Alchemy paragraph. That should clear up any confusion.

Even worse because the wording of the text makes it sound as though those are just examples of items you COULD put in there regardless of amount - so yeah, they really do need to make that more explicit. Maybe just move it to the Formula Book section entirely and state unequivocally "You gain 4 formulas in addition to the Alchemy Crafting Feat's 4 formulas", or something along those lines.


And unfortunately, the newly-released Errata shows that nope - we only get 4 starting formulas.

In the Formula Book section, change “The formula book contains formulas for your choice of 4 common 1st-level alchemical items.” to “The formula book contains the formulas you gained from Alchemical Crafting.”

So guess that's a firm answer, if nothing else.


Gazragar wrote:
And unfortunately, the newly-released Errata shows that nope - we only get 4 starting formulas.

Mark said it was meant to clarify that you DO get 8, not 4. It seems that the clarification is going to need clarification.


graystone wrote:
Gazragar wrote:
And unfortunately, the newly-released Errata shows that nope - we only get 4 starting formulas.
Mark said it was meant to clarify that you DO get 8, not 4. It seems that the clarification is going to need clarification.

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