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Does it work, or not?
Most threads that I've seen on the matter seem to assume that it just works, which is probably the RAI, but the fact of the matter is that Spirit Talker is written weirdly because it includes witch as a pre-req, but doesn't explain how it can work for them. My assumption when using Spirit Talker on a witch is that all mentions of "shaman" in the hexes would be replaced with "witch," which clears up all the confusion, but this is not the case as currently written.
Then there's this FAQ, which makes things muddier.
I'm not here to debate whether or not it works as written, because it clearly would not given that Arcane Enlightenment specifically calls out "preparing shaman spells," which a witch cannot do (don't even talk to me about multiclassing; no one in their right mind is going to do that). What I'm looking for is FAQ clarification on this mess, because Spirit Talker's application to witches is filled with holes.
Please FAQ.
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Doesn't seem like there is an FAQ needed, it seems pretty clear that it's just a useless feat for a witch.
The existing FAQ makes it pretty clear. What more clarification are you looking for? What's the question?
The existing FAQ makes it pretty clear. What more clarification are you looking for? What's the question?
The FAQ that quite literally breaks existing content, like Dreamed Secrets?
That FAQ?
Clear as mud, my friend.
The prevalent ambiguity, and the frequency of the question, is exactly why it should be clarified. Is it more pressing than other FAQs we've been wanting for ages? Nah, but that doesn't mean it is any less valid.
...it's just a useless feat for a witch.
Hopefully not.
Seems like it'd make more sense to FAQ Dreaming Secrets rather then Arcane Enlightenment, then. It's a more straightforward example of your issue--it renders a feat entirely nonfunctional (which is probably unintentional) rather than only nonfunctional in a very specific case (which happens on purpose all the time).
Seems like it'd make more sense to FAQ Dreaming Secrets rather then Arcane Enlightenment, then. It's a more straightforward example of your issue--it renders a feat entirely nonfunctional (which is probably unintentional) rather than only nonfunctional in a very specific case (which happens on purpose all the time).
You're missing the point that Spirit Talker itself is unclear in its application to witches in general. Mark said they will not FAQ Dreamed Secrets because it's not a core book.
they will not FAQ Dreamed Secrets because it's not a core book.
This is exactly the sort of nonsense that requires us to pull a precedent from the core line to handle the material outside it. Absolute nonsense.
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Seems like it'd make more sense to FAQ Dreaming Secrets rather then Arcane Enlightenment, then. It's a more straightforward example of your issue--it renders a feat entirely nonfunctional (which is probably unintentional) rather than only nonfunctional in a very specific case (which happens on purpose all the time).You're missing the point that Spirit Talker itself is unclear in its application to witches in general. Mark said they will not FAQ Dreamed Secrets because it's not a core book.
Ugh. Thanks, Paizo.
That said, I don't really see a lack of clarity with respect to how Spirit Talker currently works. You use it, you get the hex for an hour. If you pick Arcane Enlightenment, it doesn't really do anything for you. Are there other hexes that are less clear-cut?
If you pick Arcane Enlightenment, it doesn't really do anything for you.
But is this the intention? A few wizard spells for one hour isn't that powerful for the price of a feat. Why would they make it available to witches if some of the hexes won't work?
If you want to argue about RAW, any of the hexes that mention "shaman" don't work for a witch. So why does the feat exist at all?
I wonder if this is PFS legal and if that will entice a FAQ any sooner. Probably not.
Your shaman list is there it just doesn't have any spells, so RAW you can add spells to it. The issue is still the duration of the hex though.
Your shaman list is there it just doesn't have any spells, so RAW you can add spells to it. The issue is still the duration of the hex though.
This is the kind of RAW I like. It says you can "add the spells to the list of shaman spells you can prepare," implying you can now prepare shaman spells.
The duration part is solved by preparing your spells, then doing a 15 minute preparation following the 10 minute spirit invocation. That gives you 45 minutes to use said shaman spell.