Do Vesk have Bellybuttons?


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I'm not sure if the conversation about vesk anatomy was resolved as to whether vesk give live birth or lay eggs. As someone who wants to play a vesk in the future, I want to make sure I get her story right...


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If they are reptiles and give egg birth, they don't, if you want them to have live birth (as there are some snakes that do that) they MAY, but I think that the snakes in question still don't have belly buttons...

EDIT TO ADD:
Even better:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-reptile-equivalent-of-a-belly-button

The bellybutton on reptiles fuses, so I would say NO BELLY BUTTON on a Vesk. :)

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Thanks, DJEternalDarkness! This is really helpful! :)


DJEternalDarkness wrote:

If they are reptiles and give egg birth, they don't, if you want them to have live birth (as there are some snakes that do that) they MAY, but I think that the snakes in question still don't have belly buttons...

EDIT TO ADD:
Even better:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-reptile-equivalent-of-a-belly-button

The bellybutton on reptiles fuses, so I would say NO BELLY BUTTON on a Vesk. :)

This is what scientists do everyday. Comparing is the key to understanding. It's why most scientists believe birds and dinosaurs are related.

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I was under the impression that birds ARE dinosaurs...or as Crystal Frasier eloquently put it "birds never forgot they used to be dinosaurs, and they're bitter about it!"


Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
I was under the impression that birds ARE dinosaurs...or as Crystal Frasier eloquently put it "birds never forgot they used to be dinosaurs, and they're bitter about it!"

I asked about this very question, "are birds dinosaurs?" and I got a no. A flat out no.


Well, sure, because birds aren't dinosaurs.

If you all want to get technical, and much more real than the in-game universe, an alien from a different planet that looked like a lizard wouldn't even be a lizard. It would be just as likely to share genetic similarities to a terrestrial tree, or bacteria.

Long story short, Vesk biology that isn't discussed in the books works however you want it to in your game.


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EltonJ wrote:
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
I was under the impression that birds ARE dinosaurs...or as Crystal Frasier eloquently put it "birds never forgot they used to be dinosaurs, and they're bitter about it!"
I asked about this very question, "are birds dinosaurs?" and I got a no. A flat out no.

I dunno who you asked, but the general consensus is "probably yes". There's still some debate, like many scientific questions, but birds are widely understood to be descended from therapod dinosaurs.

Even if they are not dinosaurs, they are definitely fish. Just like us. :)


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Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
Do vesk have bellybuttons?

My only regret is that this wasn't posted on the rules questions forum so we could get the entire design team to weigh in. :D


It's not too late. Someone could make a quick google doc that's just a list of known species with "Bellybutton, Y/N" on there.

If enough of us FAQ it...


Starfinder Superscriber

Races without belly buttons:
Bantrids.
Androids (unless built in for fun)
Vesk (potentially)
SROs
Shirren (bugs don't have belly buttons)
Formians
Barathu
the plant things from Pact Worlds


I believe this sort of thing was covered somehwere, but don't remember the thread. Vesk do not have mammary glands so they would not have that piece of mammalian anatomy, and also aren't mammalian and are not placental.

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We're not likely to make an official ruling on the question of vesk bellybuttons until or unless it becomes important for an adventure plot or rules element. That doesn't seem likely to me, but in strange eons...
And who knows, we might do a Veskarium book where we felt the need for more complete biological info.
Unofficially, I'd say vesk certainly don't have bellybuttons. Even if they aren't egg-layers, it seems likely they'd have that anatomy fuse over, given their armored exteriors.


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:


Unofficially, I'd say desk certainly don't have bellybuttons.

If this is not your Typo of the Day...

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TarkXT wrote:
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:


Unofficially, I'd say desk certainly don't have bellybuttons.
If this is not your Typo of the Day...

Dang, I thought I'd FIXED that particular autocorrect issue. I guess only in Word.


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Pantshandshake wrote:
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An SRO could be.


The current standing is that, yes, birds are dinosaurs. They descend directly from the therapods, quite a few of which pretty closely resemble various modern birds. The main difference is the beak, which didn't actually replace the jaw and teeth until sometime after the end of the Cretaceous, anyway.

So why do they seem different? Because the dinosaurs who best survived the big extinction were the small therapods, with their flexible diet and low energy need. Coincidentally, some of them also had the ability to fly. Nature then hammered on those advantages, and it ballooned out from there.


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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

We're not likely to make an official ruling on the question of vesk bellybuttons until or unless it becomes important for an adventure plot or rules element. That doesn't seem likely to me, but in strange eons...

And who knows, we might do a Veskarium book where we felt the need for more complete biological info.
Unofficially, I'd say vesk certainly don't have bellybuttons. Even if they aren't egg-layers, it seems likely they'd have that anatomy fuse over, given their armored exteriors.

On the other hand, human culture is pretty infectious. If vesk are able to go in to the corner bodyshop for scale re-coloring or texture alteration/resurfacing, it's also possible that they might start deciding to get belly buttons strictly for fashion.

"But Mooooooooooom, I needed a belly button so I could wearing navel piercings."

or

"Katara's favorite trid starlet Nomezi® always wears belly-baring outfits, so for her birthday, I got her a giftcred at Body by Mu so she can get an innie."

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Pantshandshake wrote:
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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

We're not likely to make an official ruling on the question of vesk bellybuttons until or unless it becomes important for an adventure plot or rules element. That doesn't seem likely to me, but in strange eons...

And who knows, we might do a Veskarium book where we felt the need for more complete biological info.
Unofficially, I'd say vesk certainly don't have bellybuttons. Even if they aren't egg-layers, it seems likely they'd have that anatomy fuse over, given their armored exteriors.

Seems to me that the official ruling would/should come around the time there's a need for an artist to depict a vesk without a shirt on and/or an exposed stomach.

I'm wondering whether that's something an artist would check with you guys first on or if they'd make an assumption and, when you got the art, would have to make a decision as to whether or not to send it back if they got it 'wrong'.

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Spacecaptain Pillbug Lebowski wrote:
Pantshandshake wrote:
New addition to the next Alien Archive: Sentient Furniture.
If the Azlanti returned with their Star Empire, could a star-faring Ottoman Empire be next? :)

Oh crap! Call the Tick!

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FormerFiend wrote:
I'm wondering whether that's something an artist would check with you guys first on or if they'd make an assumption and, when you got the art, would have to make a decision as to whether or not to send it back if they got it 'wrong'.

That can be an issue. We try to have references we send out, and check things at a sketch stage to make sure there aren't issues, but we still end up with disconnects sometimes between text and art.


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well at least we have an un-official designer idea that they would not. so those intense questions are answered! :)


Made me smile. This thread did. Thank you.

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