Flying Blade Swashbuckler with either or a fighter (maybe Weapon Master)
Feat 1) Weapon Focus
Feat 2) Weapon Finesse
Feat 3) Starry Grace/Slashing Grace (Dex to damage)
Doable as a human at level 1 :)
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There are some interesting options here. A Dock Warf (I think is what it is called) gets +1 with Daggers
A faithful of Phantasma gets +2 w/daggers; (one feat that does other stuff as well and 3 ranks of religion)
So at level 3 as a weapon master you could have a BAB of (Assuming Dex 18)
3 (base), +4 (Attribute); +1(trait) +2 (sacred); +1 (Weapon Focus); +1 Class
= 12 BAB
Had to chuckle about Dock Warf... the trait is called river rat.
Otherwise Jason gives good advice. Other good Options include Savage thechnologist barbarian or the farstrike Monk.
Sorry Away from books and I tend to give things my own names (Makes it a pain when I need to reference something to someone else, but my names lock in the ability for me better)
You will also want quick draw fairly quickly (So you can rapid fire the daggers)...no later than level 6 IMO
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I had a Warpriest of Pharasma that did really well. River Rat, Pharasma's obedience, the Startoss feats, and a returning dagger made me pretty effective. Swift Action self-buffs helped as well.
Has anyone tried a Flying Blade build with Desna's Shooting Star?
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Note that the Returning property only returns a weapon to you at the start of the next round, and only if you didn't move. So if making three attacks per round, you have to have three Returning weapons. The Sharding weapon property and the Martial Focus -> Ricochet Toss feats chain allow for using one weapon all the time.
A character who worships Pharasma and has Guided Hand can make all of their dagger attacks with WIS, whether they're melee or ranged. This means that they can split STR for damage and WIS for attack, which is much easier than splitting DEX/STR.
A Pharasma character with Crusader's Flurry can use Unchained Monk Flurry of Blows with dagger, whether thrown or melee.
So all together, a Cleric or Warpriest or maybe Shaman with a Monk level can do interesting things with dagger.
Blinkback works well, but also conflicts with physical boosting belts. Which would be another advantage of having wisdom based attacks, I suppose.
Quickly thrown together
Unnamed Hero
Human swashbuckler (flying blade) 7 (Pathfinder RPG Advanced Class Guide 56, 124)
N Medium humanoid (human)
Init +7; Senses Perception -1
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Defense
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AC 23, touch 17, flat-footed 16 (+6 armor, +5 Dex, +2 dodge)
hp 67 (7d10+21)
Fort +4, Ref +10, Will +1
Defensive Abilities charmed life 4/day, nimble +2
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft.
Melee +2 dagger +18/+13 (1d4+8/17-20+7 Precision) or
. . dagger +16/+11 (1d4+6/17-20+7 Precision)
Special Attacks deeds (derring-do, opportune parry and riposte, precise strike, superior feint, swashbuckler initiative, swashbuckler's grace), panache (2)
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Statistics
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Str 12, Dex 21, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 14
Base Atk +7; CMB +8; CMD 25
Feats Deific Obedience, Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Quick Draw, Slashing Grace[ACG], Weapon Focus (dagger)
Skills Knowledge (religion) +3
Languages Common
SQ swashbuckler finesse
Combat Gear potion of cure moderate wounds (5); Other Gear +2 mithral chain shirt, +2 dagger, dagger (20), belt of incredible dexterity +2, handy haversack, swordmaster's flair (blue scarf)[ACG], swashbucklers kit (worth 9 gp), 9 gp
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Special Abilities
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Charmed Life +2 (4/day) (Ex) Choose to add Charisma bonus to save before roll is made.
Deeds
Deific Obedience Purify yourself daily to prove devotion to a deity and gain benefits.
Nimble +2 (Ex) +2 dodge bonus to AC.
Panache (Ex) Gain a pool of points that are spent to fuel deeds, regained on light/piercing crit/killing blow.
Point-Blank Shot +1 to attack and damage rolls with ranged weapons at up to 30 feet.
Precise Shot You don't get -4 to hit when shooting or throwing into melee.
Quick Draw Draw weapon as a free action (or move if hidden weapon). Throw at full rate of attacks.
Slashing Grace (Dagger) Treat chosen weapon as 1-handed piercing weapon and can add Dex instead of Str to dam.
Swashbuckler Finesse Use Dex for att with light/1-hand pierce wep. Use Cha instead of Int for combat feat pre-reqs.
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Far strike monk + improvised weapons
Surprise Weapon (+2 hit) trait
Dockside Brawler trait (+1 damage)
Rough and ready(no improvised minuses) trait
Gloves of Improvised Might (give pluses and abilities to improvised weapons)]
Far Shot, Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Improved Precise Shot, Parting Shot, Improvised Weapon Mastery and Pinpoint Targeting for monk's bonus feat picks.
Free Quick Draw and Shot on the Run(with bonuses).
Flurry with thrown weapons.
Use Ki to add +20' to thrown range or use unarmed damage to thrown weapons.
With improvised weapons, it doesn't matter is weapons return so toss as many as you want. Toss agile on the Gloves to snag dex to damage.
Quick take on a Flying Blade with Desna's Shooting Star
Desnan Flying Blade
gear: +1 starknife, headband of alluring charisma +2, blinkback belt (you can probably afford better gear than this, I'm just being conservative)
Strength 8, dexterity 15, constitution 14, intelligence 10, wisdom 10, charisma 21
1: Desna’s Shooting Star, Quick Draw, Opportune Parry and Riposte, Subtle Throw, Derring-Do
2: Charmed Life
3: Point-Blank Shot, Precise Strike, Disrupting Counter, Precise Throw, Swashbuckler Initiative, Nimble
4: Precise Shot
5: Two-Weapon Fighting, Flying Blade Training
6:
7: Rapid Shot, Targeted Throw, Swashbuckler’s Grace, Superior Feint
At 7th level you attack +11/+11/+11/+6 for 1d4+15 damage each (if they're within 30 feet), or use Targeted Throw to incapacitate your enemies.
Although now that I think about it, I'm not sure you get Precise Strike damage if you use Two-Weapon Fighting for the extra thrown attack. Someone can probably fix/improve the build...
Clustered shot is required for any kind of serious throw build, imo.
Also, perhaps I imagined it, but wasn't there a ruling changing the blink back belt to returning your weapon just before your next turn?
Essentially this is to prevent building an uber weapon and leveraging more damage via twf, flurry etc.
Between this ruling (if it exists?) and the limitation of 4 items blink-back becomes much less desirable for thrower builds
Feat 3) Starry Grace/Slashing Grace (Dex to damage)
Wait, does slashing grace actually work for thrown weapons?
I don't see why it would not based on the description. It says that it has to be in one hand. Starry Grace especially makes no sense when you look at guided star from Paths of righteous if it does not
I would agree that the description leaves slashing grace open for throwing builds, but a faq seems to disagree. Slashing Grace.
From the FAQ: "...Slashing Grace only works with melee attacks, not thrown attacks with a melee weapon. ..."
I would agree that the description leaves slashing grace open for throwing builds, but a faq seems to disagree. Slashing Grace.
From the FAQ: "...Slashing Grace only works with melee attacks, not thrown attacks with a melee weapon. ..."
I thought it wasn't for a reason, thanks :)
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...snipping...
Also, perhaps I imagined it, but wasn't there a ruling changing the blink back belt to returning your weapon just before your next turn?
...snipping...
I am unable to find anything like this... anyone else know anything about a ruling on this?
Is it likely have just been in a Home game, and so is just a House Rule someplace?
An Unchained Rogue works pretty well for a dagger based build. You get free Weapon Finesse and Dex-to-Damage at 3rd, which works at range, too. The Rogue's sneak attack damage will outstrip a Swashbuckler's precision damage, although it does need some work to be able to apply it. Also, the Rogue can use TWF and still apply the bonus damage. The Knife Master archetype should be available for extra fun.
As far as getting a weapon to work with the build, a Dagger of Doubling can be split and thrown as often as you need if you have Quick Draw. The base weapon is only a +1 dagger, but I don't see why the enhancement bonus couldn't be increased over time.
An Unchained Rogue works pretty well for a dagger based build. You get free Weapon Finesse and Dex-to-Damage at 3rd, which works at range, too.Doesn't Finesse Training specifically call out melee attacks.
You're right. I just re-read that. Good catch.