Magi CAN do dexterity damage and take slashing grace.
They simply can't do that AND use Spell Combat in the same round.
dervish dance hasn't changed at all. And I believe the majority still side that it works.
There's been no change. If they do ruin this last method then you'll know because the boards will explode in a fury of outrage Paizo never pays attention to in order to prevent future fury.
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There's been no change. If they do ruin this last method then you'll know because the boards will explode in a fury of outrage Paizo never pays attention to in order to prevent future fury.
"Hey Joe! The boards have just exploded into another fury of outrage!"
"Must be Monday."
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Dervish Dance isn't under the PDT purview
So the Slashing Grace Errata may or may not key into the line of thinking.
In general, they have consistently made attacking with two weapons and dex to damage something not possible or very difficult. I don't think anyone should expect the difference in the wording to prevent Dervish Dance from being errata to make it clear you can't TWF (including Spell Combat) and gain the benefits.
So use it until it's changed, and it may never be changed by virtue of too many people required to be involved to make the change.
With blade tutor's spirit and whatever touch spell you like, including arcane mark (brand if you are a hexcrafter), you get 2 attacks per round at only a -1 penalty to hit. Your DPR should be fine, comparatively.
It's an endangered species. For PFS there's too much table variation on it: it technically works by absolute raw but there is no way that it should work for one dex to damage feat but not the other.
Well, it is more restrictive than the other 2, though it's not a huge restriction.
It's an endangered species. For PFS there's too much table variation on it: it technically works by absolute raw but there is no way that it should work for one dex to damage feat but not the other.
Why not? Different feats do different things.
Why not? Different feats do different things.Not when they all do the same thing with different weapons. It would be bad form if one worked for two weapons and the others didn't.
No, they don't. DD is limited to ONE weapon and it carries a 2-point skill penalty. The others are limited to a range of weapons (either slashing or piercing).
So, strength magus build anyone?
I've done it.
The Two-Weapon Grace feat allows Slashing Grace to be used with Spell Combat. That said, it isn't approved for PFS play.Magi CAN do dexterity damage and take slashing grace.
They simply can't do that AND use Spell Combat in the same round.
Yup. The old "errata to sell new books" strategy.
With blade tutor's spirit, strength magus is very appealing. Power attack is basically free (never more than -1 penalty). On rounds sans spell combat, two-handing your longsword with BTS is an even better deal.
I think the only way they're going to change Dervish Dance is if they reprint that feat in an RPG-line book, since they don't seem to do FAQ/Errata for anything else.
If they decide to start, there are other things more in need of the PDT's intervention (Ascetic Style, Shielded Gauntlet Style) etc. and if they were inclined to change it, they've had since 2011 for Dervish Dance.
So however your GM thought Dervish Dance interacted with the Magus in 2012, that's how it works now unless they've changed their mind for some reason.
My PFS strength Magus is a half-elf using a bastard sword. He has proven to be an effective character at 1st level.
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I think the only way they're going to change Dervish Dance is if they reprint that feat in an RPG-line book, since they don't seem to do FAQ/Errata for anything else.
Or a PFS campaign clarification, which exists partially to clarify /errata things they don't issue clarifications and errata on.
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Or a PFS campaign clarification, which exists partially to clarify /errata things they don't issue clarifications and errata on.
It has been possible to put Dervish Dance on a Magus for like 5.5 years now and that interaction has not changed, is there any reason to think that PFS is going to suddenly change course on that now for some reason?
None other than the slashing grace/fencing grace FAQing.
Mithral kikko armor keeps 10% ASF and kensai magi aren't immune to light armor ASF. Don't do it. Armored kilt, haramaki or silken ceremonial armor are your armor options besides spell blending for mage armor or bracers of armor or similar.
It has been possible to put Dervish Dance on a Magus for like 5.5 years now and that interaction has not changed, is there any reason to think that PFS is going to suddenly change course on that now for some reason?
Because the slashing grace interaction shows they don't want it working.
Why on earth would you get rid of dex to damage except to the one weapon magi are using anyway?
Ninja'd! ;)
Playing a swishy-pokey investigator (rapier) also helped me get into the idea of strength based caster builds. The investigator doesn't get anything but light armor, however, so defense is an issue. The investigator doesn't have an intensified shocking grasp at his disposal, either.
It has been possible to put Dervish Dance on a Magus for like 5.5 years now and that interaction has not changed, is there any reason to think that PFS is going to suddenly change course on that now for some reason?
Because the slashing grace interaction shows they don't want it working.
Why on earth would you get rid of dex to damage except to the one weapon magi are using anyway?
And the Fencing Grace hardcover implementation is yet another subject that shows they don't want Dexterity to Damage working.
To be fair, Dexterity builds are a trap anyway. The only things that they are better at than a Strength build are Reflex Saves (which are meh half the time) and Initiative, which is really only crucial in the mid-to-late game, which PFS doesn't expand on.
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Playing a swishy-pokey investigator (rapier) also helped me get into the idea of strength based caster builds. The investigator doesn't get anything but light armor, however, so defense is an issue. The investigator doesn't have an intensified shocking grasp at his disposal, either.
After getting AC 37 + Discplacement going at level 9, I no longer believe investigators are fragile, even if you do focus on strength :)
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Mutagen (dex; was gonna face a scary boss) +2+2
Barkskin +4
Alchemical Allocation on a L12 potion of Shield of Faith (chronicle) +4
Jingasa (the good old days) +1
Shield spell +4
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Blade Tutor's Spirit says "Only penalties incurred by voluntary use of feats or maneuvers are reduced by this spell."
So it wouldn't work with Spell Combat, as that's not a feat or a maneuver?
FTFY. And yes.