Likelihood that that Starfinder kills off PFS: 30-to-1
Likelihood that some other company's Star Wars RPG knocks out Starfinder: 2-to-1.
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Necro aside, I as a GM have had to divide my time between GMing PFS, CORE and SFS, so I can attest that I am not giving as much to PFS. At a recent Con I GMed mostly Starfinder. At an upcoming Con I'm GMing mostly Pathfinder. I haven't seen CORE scheduled anywhere, and so some of my homegame time goes to that (cuz we want CORE Eyes eventually).
Will be interesting to see which direction other GMs start leaning.
Just playing at local stores, I've played 4 sessions of SFS so far. All of those were at regularly scheduled PFS games that would have been playing PFS if SFS didn't exist. So SFS is definitely cutting into the number of PFS session being played, at least around here.
We've had 9 total sessions of SFS go off in Phoenix. Meanwhile, we continue to have 5-6 sessions of PFS a week.
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Cats do not go into space! At least not until they get me some decent vibroaxes. I can't stand to look at a blaster/gun, grenade, or any tech you know...
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Part of this is the 'New Shiney'effect. It will probably balance out soon.I haven't been able to go to my local games very much lately, but there seemed to already be an issue with a lack of players for PFS fairly often, and SFS is on the same day so... I'm a little worried, honestly.I don't know if that's something to worry about. At least for my local stores, we were down to 4 regular players and have a SFS game scheduled for next session with 9 signed up.
It's not just the 'New Shiny' effect. It's also the 'No Rules Glut' effect.
I have a very difficult time getting GMs for PFS. Most people I talk to are too intimidated by the shear amount of rules in PFS and feel they do not have sufficient rules knowledge to do a good job. If I can get them to GM, it's usually only for low level mods. While CORE can solve this problem it hasn't proven that popular locally, possibly because its too limited.
I am not having near the problems finding GMs for SFS, however. No, the problem I am having is not enough scenarios for those GMs to run.
If I schedule a PFS adventure there is probably at least a 75% chance I will have to GM. If I schedule SfS, I usually don't have to GM it at all (though sometimes I choose too). This doesn't exactly encourage me to schedule PFS. But there isn't enough SFS to run it all the time.
Quite frankly, I would be happy if Paizo released Pathfinder 2.0 at next GenCon and rebooted the campaign.
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Quite frankly, I would be happy if Paizo released Pathfinder 2.0 at next GenCon and rebooted the campaign.
Me too. My guess is though, this would be a Paizo Con announcement for the Gen Con a 15 months away. (i.e. if announced at Paizo Con 2018, it wouldn't be released until Gen Con 2019.)
It did seem interesting that when Jason Buhlman asked on Facebook for feedback on what the Facebook crowd (that had friended his professional facebook page) wanted that Pathfinder did not have, a fair amount of them suggested some sort of Pathfinder 2.0.
Likelihood that that Starfinder kills off PFS: 30-to-1
Yech. Bassackwarded that.
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Quite frankly, I would be happy if Paizo released Pathfinder 2.0 at next GenCon and rebooted the campaign.
Me too. My guess is though, this would be a Paizo Con announcement for the Gen Con a 15 months away. (i.e. if announced at Paizo Con 2018, it wouldn't be released until Gen Con 2019.)
It did seem interesting that when Jason Buhlman asked on Facebook for feedback on what the Facebook crowd (that had friended his professional facebook page) wanted that Pathfinder did not have, a fair amount of them suggested some sort of Pathfinder 2.0.
People have been suggesting some sort of Pathfinder 2.0 for years now though.
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What draws many players to SFS? It's new.
What draws many GMs to SFS? No rules bloat, and getting GM credit for their new SFS characters.
The Rules bloat of PFS became evident to me when, at a con, I witnessed a player making 8 pistol attacks in a round with their hair. While that's cool and all, how am supposed to audit that with little time given, and while at the same time the con organizers wanting to "Seven" the table? A GM simply cannot audit all the strangeness you see at cons these days in PFS.
SFS is an improved system, in part with simpler combat rules, and in part because it doesn't suffer from rules bloat...yet.
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We've had 9 total sessions of SFS go off in Phoenix. Meanwhile, we continue to have 5-6 sessions of PFS a week.Necro aside, I as a GM have had to divide my time between GMing PFS, CORE and SFS, so I can attest that I am not giving as much to PFS. At a recent Con I GMed mostly Starfinder. At an upcoming Con I'm GMing mostly Pathfinder. I haven't seen CORE scheduled anywhere, and so some of my homegame time goes to that (cuz we want CORE Eyes eventually).
Will be interesting to see which direction other GMs start leaning.
Just playing at local stores, I've played 4 sessions of SFS so far. All of those were at regularly scheduled PFS games that would have been playing PFS if SFS didn't exist. So SFS is definitely cutting into the number of PFS session being played, at least around here.
There are too many stores and conventions running stuff in the Chicago area for me to have any sort of total count. But I can tell you about the two stores where I play regularly.
One of them used to have 2-3 tables of PFS every Sunday. On 4 of the Sundays since Gen Con, they've run SFS instead of PFS, getting the same 2-3 tables each time. So that's roughly 10 tables of what would have been PFS replaced by an equal number of SFS tables.
At the other store I've been attending recently, they do usually 2 tables each Monday evening. They've started doing SFS instead of PFS on the first Monday of each month. So in two months since Gen Con, that's 4 tables of PFS that were replaced by an equal number of SFS tables.
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Up in NH things have actually been pretty balanced - this summer we had a regular 3-4 tables of PFS (I wasn't even playing or running, just watching the Warhorn and panicked e-mail threads needing additional GMs when tables got too full), but since we started SFS, we've consistently ran 1 table a week. I think that it's helping players who aren't fantasy fans but still want a robust RPG experience (we have two players who maybe played PFS once, but have been weekly SFS players), and a good option for the people who were already dropping PFS sessions because they've played them all already.
I can see SFS killing Core though - why replay a PFS scenario when you can just try Starfinder?
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Well, in our local store we run SFS one Saturday a week right now. and PFS Friday and Saturday. With school being back in session we are again having 2 tables of PFS on Fridays and Saturdays. Starfinder has been well accepted but is not "killing" PFS by any means. We have gotten a new GM to start doing SFS games. I will also run SFS and PFS, our VA runs both and our usual PFS GM still runs lots of PFS. YMMV.
Not scared for the future but excited!