Wild shape to large water elemental, then reduce person to medium again, then wear your armor and shield.
Is that correct?
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Wild shape to large water elemental, then reduce person to medium again, then wear your armor and shield.
Is that correct?
Looks legit, but not well optimized since:
-you have to remove your gear prior to wild shape
-the reduce person lasts 1 min per level.
-it takes time to put armor back on
Seems alot of work for marginal gains since both spells confer size bonues so like-ability scores wont stack.
I just need to gain more A and HP, no STR needed.
no you cant. you can find the reason by going to http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/magic.html
and scrolling down to transmutation magic.
simple answer is cant combine two polymorphic effects.Although reduce person is a transmutation effect, it is not a polymorph effect.
You can only be affected by one polymorph spell at a time. If a new polymorph spell is cast on you (or you activate a polymorph effect, such as wild shape), you can decide whether or not to allow it to affect you, taking the place of the old spell. In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell.
... which makes sense, because otherwise I could combine wild shape + enlarge person to become Huge, which would probably be overpowered. Or wild shape to small and reduce to Tiny, which would be an overpowered defense for a primary caster.
... which makes sense, because otherwise I could combine wild shape + enlarge person to become Huge, which would probably be overpowered. Or wild shape to small and reduce to Tiny, which would be an overpowered defense for a primary caster.
Umm, you can already use wild shape to take huge and tiny, even diminutive forms. A saurian shaman can be a huge allosaurus at level 6.
I don't think tiny size is that great a defense, a gnome using reduce person gets +1 AC, not that useful. Wild shaping to diminutive and from there to fine would be more useful, but as noted above not really possible.
On this topic ... Say a halfling has a Permanent Reduce Person in effect to be tiny and then casts Beast Shape I to be, say, a small eagle.
Halfling and Eagle are both small, so there is no stacking, and the caster remains tiny.
Or halfling grows to small for the duration of the Beast Shape? That seems counterintuitive? If so, does the Perm Reduce Person kick back in when the Beast Shape ends?
Thanks for feedback!
On this topic ... Say a halfling has a Permanent Reduce Person in effect to be tiny and then casts Beast Shape I to be, say, a small eagle.
Halfling and Eagle are both small, so there is no stacking, and the caster remains tiny.
Or halfling grows to small for the duration of the Beast Shape? That seems counterintuitive? If so, does the Perm Reduce Person kick back in when the Beast Shape ends?
Thanks for feedback!
In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell.
So reduce person is suppressed for the duration of the spell, you polymorph the same way a regular halfling does. And yes, that can mean getting bigger the same way a human can turn into a horse and get bigger.
Why not simply wild shape into a medium elemental? Just because you can take the form of a large elemental does not mean you have to.
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Why not simply wild shape into a medium elemental? Just because you can take the form of a large elemental does not mean you have to.
To pile up stat modifiers, obviously :D.
A corner case is Animal growth/Reduce animal. If you read them strictly RAW they don't counter each other and while you can't stack size increases with size increases and size reductions with size reductions, nothing stop stacking a size increase and a size reduction with those spells (while you can't do it with enlarge/Reduce person as they counter each other).
So you end with a animal companion that has +8 st, +0 Dex, +4 cos and +2 natural armor and still can navigate dungeons with relative ease as it stay of its original size.
Naturally any sane GM would say that those two spells counter each other like the versions working on humanoids..
Why not simply wild shape into a medium elemental? Just because you can take the form of a large elemental does not mean you have to.
A large air elemental has a +6 dexterity modifier, higher natural armor, plus other bonuses, but weapons do not change size.
If it were legal, a magus could combine Elemental Body III + Reduce person to gain all the bonuses with zero negatives.