
Wei Ji the Learner |
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This is directed to folks in the United States that have not yet voted.
If you are eligible to vote, please GO VOTE.
I don't care what your politics are.
There are millions of folks who have shed blood, sweat and tears over the past two and a half centuries to get you that right.
Don't dismiss that because 'you're not feeling it' or 'your person didn't get the nomination/etc'.
Please.
Go.
Vote.
Thank you.

Ambrosia Slaad |

Yeah, I voted by mail a couple weeks ago. It's easier to take my time and look everything/everyone up, drop it in the mail, and then check the website in a couple days to verify it was received.
Got a bottle each of cava ($9!), prosecco ($10!), and crème de cassis ($12) yesterday. Tonight, I'm gonna make kir royales with the latter two for dinner, along with shrimp scampi & pasta for dinner. Then I'll pop over to the parents' for a couple hours and open the cava when the first election results start coming in.
Got into the prosecco early, already had a couple kirs this AM.

Ambrosia Slaad |
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Can you vote a provisional ballot? (Should return results for your state based on your current IP address)

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Can you vote a provisional ballot? (Should return results for your state based on your current IP address)
Ooh, I'll try. Thanks!

Ambrosia Slaad |

And hey, if you vote today, go get some free (or discounted) stuff as your reward for the year+ of crappy election campaigning.

Dread Piewright Jacques Pepin |

We need to re-start the tradition of election cakes. Maybe import democracy sausages? Maybe have taco trucks & churros outside voting places?

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I am betting on record voter turnouts this year, In my small town with 1800 registered voters, 300 had voted before 7:30am.
Maybe... though there have also been record voting location closures and other massive efforts to suppress the vote this year. Still, on balance you are probably right.

Chemlak |

To my fellow Paizonians who are resident in the US and eligible to vote: Please do it.
Your right to self-determination is the most valuable thing your society has. There are people in the world who can't vote, for various reasons. As a powerful nation, your ability to vote for the leadership of your country is a heavy responsibility, but it is part of what makes the United States of America a great nation that I'm proud to be able to say is an ally of the UK (plus we get some of your TV shows).
Please, vote. Your vote can make a difference to the whole world.

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Actually - I'm going to go a bit contrarian.
Only vote for stuff if you've actually done your research. Don't just vote a party line without knowing who the heck most of the people you're voting for are. I know that I didn't vote for every position. (Though it does amuse me to vote for the people running unopposed.)

Turin the Mad |

Missus Turin and I voted this morning. With all the warnings about expecting long lines, our local elementary school was slick as a whistle. Granted, about 1/6th of registered voters in our county entered absentee ballots. Not the half of registered voters in Florida. Surprisingly high for here.
As usual, our Congresscritter ran unopposed. Only 2 state amendments (they were good ones, so yes), a county meal tax (better than more property taxes - I can control where and when I eat out plus the % was paltry, so yes) and the usual trio of idiotic bonds (big piles of nope for those, although such are usually approved in typical short-term thinking fashion).
I'm going with atheral's thinking: voter turnout/participation this election stands a robust chance of setting a historical record.

Comrade Anklebiter |
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Comrade Who Was Published in Jacobin posted his ballot online:
Write-in for the Soltysik/Walker campaign, write-ins for local activists down ballot (he voted for me for Executive Council, although I objected that that's some royalist holdover nonsense) and a final write-in at the bottom for Thomas Carcetti.
I expelled him for voting for a Democrat, no matter how fictional.

thejeff |
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Voted early today. Not troubles. No wait.
I'd disagree on not voting the party line. I'd love to agree, but the parties have staked out extreme enough positions that things like party control of congress or of state legislatures matter more than individual politicians foibles.
Do research any ballot initiatives though. Those are often phrased in sneaky fashions to make you think they mean one thing, when they're actually something else.

Syrus Terrigan |
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Voted.
Showering. ickickickickickick
I had to laugh a little when I read that, BNW. For what it's worth -- Sorry, bro.
I might make it to the polls today, might not. Not sure whether I'd rather get the hemlock or the firing squad in this Charlie Foxtrot. 'Cause writing my own name in won't even force a blip in statistical variance.

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I'd disagree on not voting the party line. I'd love to agree, but the parties have staked out extreme enough positions that things like party control of congress or of state legislatures matter more than individual politicians foibles.
I'd counter-argue that that line of thinking/voting is part of the reason why large chunks the two big parties have gotten so extreme.

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thejeff wrote:I'd disagree on not voting the party line. I'd love to agree, but the parties have staked out extreme enough positions that things like party control of congress or of state legislatures matter more than individual politicians foibles.I'd counter-argue that that line of thinking/voting is part of the reason why large chunks the two big parties have gotten so extreme.
Chicken, meet Egg

Irontruth |

thejeff wrote:I'd disagree on not voting the party line. I'd love to agree, but the parties have staked out extreme enough positions that things like party control of congress or of state legislatures matter more than individual politicians foibles.I'd counter-argue that that line of thinking/voting is part of the reason why large chunks the two big parties have gotten so extreme.
Straight ticket voting isn't new. It's been around since Andrew Jackson. I don't think it's the reason to blame for our recent troubles.

Ambrosia Slaad |
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Charon's Little Helper wrote:Chicken, meet Eggthejeff wrote:I'd disagree on not voting the party line. I'd love to agree, but the parties have staked out extreme enough positions that things like party control of congress or of state legislatures matter more than individual politicians foibles.I'd counter-argue that that line of thinking/voting is part of the reason why large chunks the two big parties have gotten so extreme.
There's a Dunk & Egg quip in there somewhere.

NobodysHome |
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Actually - I'm going to go a bit contrarian.
Only vote for stuff if you've actually done your research. Don't just vote a party line without knowing who the heck most of the people you're voting for are. I know that I didn't vote for every position. (Though it does amuse me to vote for the people running unopposed.)
I have to agree here.
I used to go so far as to offer extra credit to the students in my MATH class for voting.
Then I learned the horrible, horrible truth: Most people who vote as a result of such "Get Out the Vote" efforts do no research whatsoever on the propositions or other down-ballot stuff, and instead just read the blurb on the ballot itself and make their snap judgements based on what they read.
Considering California's uber-broken initiative process, where you can hide inconvenient facts, this is BAD (Blurb: "Fund hospitals"! Subtext: "Oh, but we're also cutting school funding and blocking the legislature from applying any future oversight to these funds, even if they get misused.")
The point is that those who don't read at least the legislative analyst's detailed report on the proposition shouldn't be voting on it. Unfortunately, unlike Charon's Little Helper, most voters feel that they have to vote on every single thing on their ballot, even if they've never heard of it.
And somehow, California's government is broken. Go figure...
EDIT: OK, I see CLH was talking about people, and I'm talking about propositions, but I still get ornery about people who can't be bothered to spend 2 hours doing some research before voting on things that affect all of our lives.

Ambrosia Slaad |
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Yeah, I voted by mail a couple weeks ago. It's easier to take my time and look everything/everyone up, drop it in the mail, and then check the website in a couple days to verify it was received.
Got a bottle each of cava ($9!), prosecco ($10!), and crème de cassis ($12) yesterday. Tonight, I'm gonna make kir royales with the latter two for dinner, along with shrimp scampi & pasta for dinner. Then I'll pop over to the parents' for a couple hours and open the cava when the first election results start coming in.
Got into the prosecco early, already had a couple kirs this AM.
Update: I am already down to less than half the bottle of prosecco. Am tempted to go steal the bottle of cava back from parents.

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Charon's Little Helper wrote:Straight ticket voting isn't new. It's been around since Andrew Jackson.thejeff wrote:I'd disagree on not voting the party line. I'd love to agree, but the parties have staked out extreme enough positions that things like party control of congress or of state legislatures matter more than individual politicians foibles.I'd counter-argue that that line of thinking/voting is part of the reason why large chunks the two big parties have gotten so extreme.
Fair enough - I still don't have to like it. (I certainly don't think that Jacksonian politics is something to model off of.) And this certainly isn't the first time in our history where politics got crazy/angry etc. during a presidential election. That was Jefferson/Adams.
I'll just leave this here - No Parties

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:Update: I am already down to less than half the bottle of prosecco. Am tempted to go steal the bottle of cava back from parents.Yeah, I voted by mail a couple weeks ago. It's easier to take my time and look everything/everyone up, drop it in the mail, and then check the website in a couple days to verify it was received.
Got a bottle each of cava ($9!), prosecco ($10!), and crème de cassis ($12) yesterday. Tonight, I'm gonna make kir royales with the latter two for dinner, along with shrimp scampi & pasta for dinner. Then I'll pop over to the parents' for a couple hours and open the cava when the first election results start coming in.
Got into the prosecco early, already had a couple kirs this AM.
Please don't die of alcohol poisoning before the results are in, Amby.

NobodysHome |
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Remember, in this country we have a history of using knowledge tests to deny people the right to vote, but in actuality it was purely racism.
I never suggested blocking people from voting. I just wish people would spend time to actually understand what they're voting on. More venting than suggestions for policy or change.
I miss old civics classes. "Your duty as a citizen is to vote. And your duty as a voter is to be informed."
That's a pretty darned important message in any democracy.

Kryzbyn |

Wow...polling place was backed out to the street at 8 a.m. this morning in Omaha (La Vista), Nebraska. Haven't seen that before, ever.
Besides the presidential election, we had some local board and judges, as well as a congressional race. Also big ticket is a repeal of the state legislature's repeal of the death penalty.
Big day, all around. Good to see people taking it seriously.

Irontruth |

Irontruth wrote:Remember, in this country we have a history of using knowledge tests to deny people the right to vote, but in actuality it was purely racism.I never suggested blocking people from voting. I just wish people would spend time to actually understand what they're voting on. More venting than suggestions for policy or change.
I miss old civics classes. "Your duty as a citizen is to vote. And your duty as a voter is to be informed."
That's a pretty darned important message in any democracy.
I agree with that. My point is that statements like this:
The point is that those who don't read at least the legislative analyst's detailed report on the proposition shouldn't be voting on it.
leans towards denying people the right to vote. It might be leaning very slightly, but it is.
There's a difference between "voters should be better informed" and "uninformed voters shouldn't vote". It appears to be a subtle difference at first, but there's actually quite a gulf between them and how they've reared their heads in our history.

NobodysHome |

NobodysHome wrote:Irontruth wrote:Remember, in this country we have a history of using knowledge tests to deny people the right to vote, but in actuality it was purely racism.I never suggested blocking people from voting. I just wish people would spend time to actually understand what they're voting on. More venting than suggestions for policy or change.
I miss old civics classes. "Your duty as a citizen is to vote. And your duty as a voter is to be informed."
That's a pretty darned important message in any democracy.
I agree with that. My point is that statements like this:
Quote:The point is that those who don't read at least the legislative analyst's detailed report on the proposition shouldn't be voting on it.leans towards denying people the right to vote. It might be leaning very slightly, but it is.
There's a difference between "voters should be better informed" and "uninformed voters shouldn't vote". It appears to be a subtle difference at first, but there's actually quite a gulf between them and how they've reared their heads in our history.
Fair enough. I see the difference, and I concede my first statement could be construed in that way.
On a lighter note, I wanted nothing to do with today, so I sent in my vote two weeks ago.
So of course NobodysWife didn't get a chance to go over the ballot until last night, we filled it out together (we don't always vote the same, but she trusts me to give her a concise breakdown of the ups and downs of each person/proposition), and since she works in San Francisco, she asked me to drop it off today.
In spite of my best efforts, I have to swing by the local polling place on Election Day. *SIGH*

thejeff |
thejeff wrote:I'd disagree on not voting the party line. I'd love to agree, but the parties have staked out extreme enough positions that things like party control of congress or of state legislatures matter more than individual politicians foibles.I'd counter-argue that that line of thinking/voting is part of the reason why large chunks the two big parties have gotten so extreme.
I disagree. I also don't think the two parties have gotten so extreme. I think one has gotten crazy. And that's far more a consequence of catering to racism and the religious right for votes than to straight line voting or lack of research.
Look, I pay attention. I know the basic stances of candidates at least on the federal level and the higher state offices. I do my research for the primaries where it will actually determine my vote.
I've never had a case where I wished I'd backed the Republican because of how my Democratic choice turned out. I've regrett ed primary choices or outcomes, but I've never seen a Republican I've liked so much I'd rather have them one step closer to control of a legislature.
If you're more centrist and do find yourself flipping back and forth in your choices it might make more sense.