Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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The new PFS Guide makes pregens much more of an extension of your character. Tighter rules for condition removal tie the pregen's fate to your own PC's. Pregens can now make Day Job checks. You have to strictly select beforehand which of your PFS characters the pregen will be a stand-in for. During the discussion about language in the new guide, Andrew Christian had this to say about them:
1) The pregen is not really a separate character. Its a proxy stat block for your character. Whether that is because your character isn't there and you want to play, your character doesn't fit into the Tier, or you just want to try out a new class, the pregen is not really a separate entity mechanically at a meta/paperwork level.
However, pregens are still supposed to belong to the Grand Lodge faction. This has some odd effects;
- You can't earn boons for your own (non-GL) faction because the pregen isn't that faction.
- You (probably) can't earn GL boons for your non-GL character either because the character the chronicle is going to isn't GL.
- GL characters might be able to earn GL boons with pregens?
- Is prestige earned as a pregen considered GL prestige or your own faction's?
This is just weird. Wouldn't it be more straightforward to say that when you indicate which of your characters the pregen will be representing, the pregen also temporarily joins that faction?
All that's needed is to change this sentence in the guide:
Your character belongs to one of seven factions
(pregenerated iconic characters are members of the Grand Lodge faction).
Into this:
Your character belongs to one of seven factions. If you are playing a pregenerated character instead of your own character, the pregen belongs to the same faction as your own character. Otherwise, an iconic pregen defaults to the Grand Lodge faction.
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I think the reason for this was so that new players didn't have to be "exposed" to the additional choice of "what faction are you" in their first game, and started off being Pathfinders first, faction members second. For new players I still think that's a good idea, but I support the idea that players should be able to choose this if they want.
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Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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Since I'm in a Devil's Advocate mood. What happens if I retrain my faction between earning the pregen chronicle and applying it? Especially if it's one of the ones with multiple faction-specific boons and I retrain from one of the boon's factions to the other boon's faction.
You'd probably be out of luck. You weren't [your new faction] during the scenario so you didn't earn their boons. And usually when changing factions, you lose any boons related to your old faction.
Venture-Captain, Washington—Spokane
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Lau, I want to applaud you for a well thought out proposal for the granting of a pregen the faction of the player.
With the changes presented in the current version of the Guide to the Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild concerning pregenerated characters and resolving conditions, I feel that this is a proposal I can support.
Please consider this change. Thank you.
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Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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I think the reason for this was so that new players didn't have to be "exposed" to the additional choice of "what faction are you" in their first game, and started off being Pathfinders first, faction members second. For new players I still think that's a good idea, but I support the idea that players should be able to choose this if they want.
I too figured new player ease was probably the original motivation. However, you could just do the same as you'd do with new players who brought their own PC but hadn't picked a faction. You can still default to GL, you just don't have to when the downsides outweigh the (newbie-only) benefit.
Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Northwestern Indiana
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I like this proposal. First, it helps ties pre-gens closer to player characters. (So, if you have to play a pre-gen for an event, possibly you can use a boon from a faction card to help the party out.) Secondly, I don't think that it hurts game play at all.
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What does everyone think about being able to use the boons from chronicle sheets that you have earned for the character that you will be applying the credit to?
While I support this idea to some extent, we should probably focus on one change at a time.
Creating a new thread for your proposal might be wise. ^_^
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What does everyone think about being able to use the boons from chronicle sheets that you have earned for the character that you will be applying the credit to?While I support this idea to some extent, we should probably focus on one change at a time.
Creating a new thread for your proposal might be wise. ^_^
Derailing the thread wasn't my intention, I was just hoping to expand upon it, all the same thanks for listening.
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OK, I like this suggestion for iconic pregens only, and *if* it locks in the character the pregen credit applies to. There are several scenarios which play quite differently depending on faction so that can't be something that changes.
I understand that with the current version of the guide that you lock in your character selection at the beginning. I bring this up only in case that changes.
