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Let me provide the appropriate details. The AC claims to rage as a barbarian. Does this count as possessing the Rage class feature, like a Barbarian? If so then can a Badger AC with 3 Int (enough to allow it to take any feat it could learn) take feats that require the rage such as Raging Vitality and Extra Rage?
Size Small; Speed 30 ft., burrow 10 ft., climb 10 ft.; AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (1d4), 2 claws (1d3); Ability Scores Str 10, Dex 17, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 10; Special Attacks rage (as a barbarian, 6 rounds per day); Special Qualities low-light vision, scent.
Thanks in advance
Looks like it!
It seems to function just as a barbarian's, so as long as the badger meets the prerequisites of the feat (3 INT to take non-animal feats, 15 CON to take Raging Vitality, any limbs a feat might call for, etc), it should be fine!
as a barbarian so... looks like it.
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In the Rise of the Runelords campaign I'm GMing, I allowed our ranger to give his badger Raging Vitality even with only 2 int.
It probably wouldn't pass muster with PFS, but I'm pretty sure the AC feat rules say something about GM discretion on other appropriate feats besides those listed. This just seemed like an appropriate feat that should work for that type of animal.
In the Rise of the Runelords campaign I'm GMing, I allowed our ranger to give his badger Raging Vitality even with only 2 int.
It probably wouldn't pass muster with PFS, but I'm pretty sure the AC feat rules say something about GM discretion on other appropriate feats besides those listed. This just seemed like an appropriate feat that should work for that type of animal.
You're generally ok after the 3 int for anything but weapon proficiencies.
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The funny part is the Feat: Extra Rage Power. So, this means that Badger AC's can get rage powers, too.
Prerequisite: Rage power class feature.
Not just rage class feature. So unless i missed a step in how they get the class feature?
No it isn't. Rage Power and Rage are separate things. Someone can qualify for something that requires rage without qualifying for rage powers.
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Been wondering if Sympathetic Rage works with the rage of badgers...?They wouldn't qualify to take it on their own, but I don't see why a multiclassed barbarian/hunter couldn't get his badger the teamwork feat.
You must be thinking of something else, this one isn't a teamwork feat:
Sympathetic Rage (Combat)Prerequisites: Half-orc or orc, nonlawful.
Benefit: Whenever you are adjacent to an ally who is raging, you may choose to enter a similar but less powerful rage as a free action on your turn. This weaker rage gives you all the benefits and penalties of a barbarian’s rage, except your morale bonus to Strength and Constitution is only +2. There is no limit to how long you can rage, as long as you remain adjacent to a raging ally (for example, you could take a 5-foot step away from one raging ally toward another raging ally and maintain your rage). As with a barbarian’s rage, when this weaker rage ends, you are fatigued. You cannot use this feat if you are fatigued.
You must be thinking of something else, this one isn't a teamwork feat:
Indeed, he is thinking of Amplified Rage
Which is an insanely good feat.
The question is: "Is being able to go into a rage, the same as having the 'Rage Class Feature'?"
The question is: "Is being able to go into a rage, the same as having the 'Rage Class Feature'?"
Since it says as a barbarian and barbarians have it as a rage class feature i don't see the counter argument.
But mind you [rage] and [rage powers] are different. The barbarian has 1 at first level but not the other.
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Wait. You have a 3 INT badger? You mean you have a badger with as much INT as my last barbarian?
The question is: "Is being able to go into a rage, the same as having the 'Rage Class Feature'?"Since it says as a barbarian and barbarians have it as a rage class feature i don't see the counter argument.
But mind you [rage] and [rage powers] are different. The barbarian has 1 at first level but not the other.
So, would a Badger also be able to get more rounds of rage with Con increases as per the Rage Class Feature, or would it be limited to 6 rounds per day as per the Badger Animal Companion description?
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The question is: "Is being able to go into a rage, the same as having the 'Rage Class Feature'?"Since it says as a barbarian and barbarians have it as a rage class feature i don't see the counter argument.
Producing the same result as something that is a class feature doesn't make it a class feature.
If I'm affected by Bestow Grace of the Champion I don't have the Smite Evil class feature, even though I can use Smite Evil "as a paladin."
Similarly Agathions get Lay On Hands as a paladin, but as a racial feature, not a class feature, meaning they don't by RAW qualify for feats like Extra Lay On Hands.
That said I would absolutely allow it as a GM. I just wouldn't try it for PFS.
So, would a Badger also be able to get more rounds of rage with Con increases as per the Rage Class Feature, or would it be limited to 6 rounds per day as per the Badger Animal Companion description?The question is: "Is being able to go into a rage, the same as having the 'Rage Class Feature'?"Since it says as a barbarian and barbarians have it as a rage class feature i don't see the counter argument.
But mind you [rage] and [rage powers] are different. The barbarian has 1 at first level but not the other.
6. Its as a barbarian except for what it specifies, and it specifies six.
It probably can take extra rage if he wants more rounds
And this is why I dislike short hand rules and stat blocks for discussing rules. I read the "6" as short hand for 4+Con Mod (2) and therefore would allow a badger's number of rage rounds to go up by a Con increase as well as anything else that increases rage rounds.
I'd buy that (even running a pfs table) but wouldn't make a character around it.
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The question is: "Is being able to go into a rage, the same as having the 'Rage Class Feature'?"Since it says as a barbarian and barbarians have it as a rage class feature i don't see the counter argument.
Indeed.
Things should be the same, or they should be different.
if for some reason two things that seem almost the same (like "channel energy" vs. "channel" vs. "channel positive energy") shouldn't act exactly the same, count on us to tell you how it is different
6. Its as a barbarian except for what it specifies, and it specifies six.So, would a Badger also be able to get more rounds of rage with Con increases as per the Rage Class Feature, or would it be limited to 6 rounds per day as per the Badger Animal Companion description?The question is: "Is being able to go into a rage, the same as having the 'Rage Class Feature'?"Since it says as a barbarian and barbarians have it as a rage class feature i don't see the counter argument.
But mind you [rage] and [rage powers] are different. The barbarian has 1 at first level but not the other.
Even though it's limited in ways other than the class feature, it still counts as having the class feature.
To second Weirdo's comment, could a caster with reliable access (via spell) to the use of Smite or Lay on Hands "as a Paladin" count as having those features? What if it was a spell-like ability?
What about the Rage spell?
To second Weirdo's comment, could a caster with reliable access (via spell) to the use of Smite or Lay on Hands "as a Paladin" count as having those features? What if it was a spell-like ability?
What about the Rage spell?
Temporary bonuses like that generally don't let you pick up abilities based off of them.
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You must be thinking of something else, this one isn't a teamwork feat:
Indeed, he is thinking of Amplified Rage
Which is an insanely good feat.
That's exactly what I was thinking of. Just getting the two orc rage feats confused. I don't see why sympathetic rage wouldn't work then.