Thank you for no race retirements!

[Wei Ji the Learner]

*offers John a handkerchief*

Here, Dad*, it's okay!

She didn't mean it in a bad way, that's what the ;) is about.

*Dad in a 'figurative' sense, as one of the Sons of John Compton...

[Alexander Augunas]

John Compton wrote:

FiddlersGreen wrote:

We're all about introducing new elements to the game. ;)

*Dies a little inside*

There's a story here and I want to know it!

[Quentin Coldwater]

It's a pun. New playable elemental races. "Elements."

[Woran]

John Compton wrote:

FiddlersGreen wrote:

We're all about introducing new elements to the game. ;)

*Dies a little inside*

*pat pat* There there, it will be alright.

[Mekkis]

Why don't we start rotating classes? ;)

[Gimral]

The under-representation of the one-true-race is disappointing.

BTW, for the Aasimar/Tiefling fanbois, may I present the most-OP of the race options: Dual Talent. Most of what you love about the the "Blood of" books, with even more freedom.

[godsDMit]

andreww wrote:

I see quite a lot of Kitsune and almost none of the rest.

I'm the only person I know with a Wayang character, and it's a Witch that is a birthday party clown as his day job.

That one kid at every party who's afraid of clowns? That's the kid who beat the save to see through the Hat of Disguise. ;)

[Alexander Augunas]

Quentin Coldwater wrote:

It's a pun. New playable elemental races. "Elements."

Ooooh, oops. :-)

My pun-sensor is currently broken; Scott Keim burned it out at PaizoCon last weekend. XD

[Fromper]

Drogon wrote:

Human: the only truly broken race. (-;

Yeah, that bonus feat and extra skill rank per level are tempting for ANY build. That's why I have so many of them. But I do try to go for variety, so I still only have 8 humans among my 22 PC's.

Mighty Squash wrote:

I don't mind the few Nagaji around as they seem to be more about an excuse to play Int 5 rather than to abuse anything.

That's odd - my nagaji PC has 10 int. I like skills. I used the str and cha bonuses to make a front line battle oracle.

I was expecting them to be rotated out, but I'm ok with leaving them. I keep saying I want to make a tengu, because I like the flavor, but the race just hasn't suited any of the builds I've made recently.

I am surprised by all the stories of kitsune herds. Around here, I'd say wayangs are actually the most common of the Tien races. Apparently, they're good for wizards, rogues, and alchemists.

[Grrr De'Bonaire]

Fromper wrote:

I am surprised by all the stories of kitsune herds.

Skulks. Herds are what food travels in ,biped.

[Hayato Ken]

Some of those "herds" are most likely because different regions have different trends and once something has been established as "cool" or "trendy" others (without being unoriginal or copycats) pick up the theme and go with it. It´s just human, we influence each other. Probably a good sign actually, since that might be like yawning: the more comfortable and familar people are with each other, the more and faster it catches. So instead of complaining about them be happy aboput the fox skulks^^

[Jasmine Wu]

"I finally got to have another kitsune on my team after many important errands for Mistress Zarta." [Level 5] "He was a gunslinger! It was so nice to travel with someone else with more than one face!" Then she pauses, and blushes. "And, um, tail."

There is no one true Kitsune build locally. I've seen Swashbucklers, Gunslingers, Bards, Witches, and a Bloodrager. The great thing about kitsunes is that you can do so many interesting things with them... Jasmine is an infiltration specialist duettist bard who also likes buffing her group. And promoting Wu Chai Tea, the tea with the monkey on the box! They have interesting racials and options and are just plain fun. Such great RP and folkloric hooks, too! It's rare here to have more than one kitsune on a team.

[Matthew Morris]

I know I've toyed with mesmerists and kineticists as kitsune, just for the 'why is that fox staring at me' moments when they get fox form...

[Mimo Tomblebur]

We've seen a good number of Wayangs around here recently. Being small without a strength penalty works for a wide range of builds. It's fun to see the different takes people have on the inherent creepiness of those little guys.

[Mimo Tomblebur]

Alas, we are still waiting for some support for the Wayang's favorite goddess, Lao Shu Po. If your goddess used to be a mortal rat, there must be some interesting traits, feats, or spell options related to that.

[Michael Hallet]

My wayang is a multi-classed dark tapestry oracle/unchained rogue. His hobby is sneaking into people's houses in the middle of the night and scaring the crap out of them by delivering his mad prophecies while they sleep. (He might lift a few valuables from the place while he's at it too.)

[Zach Davis]

I've personally seen fewer Kitsune than any of the other Tien races. In my experience I'd probably say the Tengu were the most popular followed by Wayangs, Nagaji, and then Kitsune. Of course as stated earlier every region is going to be different. I personally love Tengu, and have contributed to the trend by recently recruiting players locally for a team of Society wetworks operatives called the Murder of Crows :-)

[Hmm]

I've been thinking for my next play by post of doing a private PFS recruitment for an all Tengu or all Kitsune table for a replayable. I think that could be super fun to see in action.

Murder's Mark of Crows.

The Snowy Foxes of Summer, or Master of the Foxy Fortress?

Hmm

[Fromper]

Eric Ives wrote:

Alas, we are still waiting for some support for the Wayang's favorite goddess, Lao Shu Po. If your goddess used to be a mortal rat, there must be some interesting traits, feats, or spell options related to that.

Yeah, I keep saying I'd love to see the Tien pantheon get the Inner Sea Gods/Inner Sea Faiths treatment. I already have a paladin of Shizuru, and I've been tempted to make followers of a couple of those other deities, but haven't gotten around to it.

[Rei]

Fromper wrote:

Eric Ives wrote:

Alas, we are still waiting for some support for the Wayang's favorite goddess, Lao Shu Po. If your goddess used to be a mortal rat, there must be some interesting traits, feats, or spell options related to that.

Yeah, I keep saying I'd love to see the Tien pantheon get the Inner Sea Gods/Inner Sea Faiths treatment. I already have a paladin of Shizuru, and I've been tempted to make followers of a couple of those other deities, but haven't gotten around to it.

My inquisitor of Lao Shu Po multiclass is now level 15. No information on said goddess would come too soon for me.

[Hmm]

Fromper wrote:

Eric Ives wrote:

Alas, we are still waiting for some support for the Wayang's favorite goddess, Lao Shu Po. If your goddess used to be a mortal rat, there must be some interesting traits, feats, or spell options related to that.

Yeah, I keep saying I'd love to see the Tien pantheon get the Inner Sea Gods/Inner Sea Faiths treatment. I already have a paladin of Shizuru, and I've been tempted to make followers of a couple of those other deities, but haven't gotten around to it.

That would be lovely! I've given a lot of love to the more unusual deities, and I would like to have more information on them.

Hmm

[Z...D...]

Hmm wrote:

I've been thinking for my next play by post of doing a private PFS recruitment for an all Tengu or all Kitsune table for a replayable. I think that could be super fun to see in action.

Murder's Mark of Crows.

The Snowy Foxes of Summer, or Master of the Foxy Fortress?

Hmm

Oh I would love to play in that. I have a Tengu Palidan with an axe beak boon once he hits level 4, and a Kitsune Samurai planned out. So if it becomes a reality, I am defintley in.

[Michael Hallet]

If it's one a level 2 tengu could play in, I have a slayer.

[Wei Ji the Learner]

I'm already working on my 'pretty bird' tengu concept.

Some may know of it, details not revealed here as it is not *solid* merely 'mostly firm' at the moment.

[pH unbalanced]

I don't have a Tengu, but I might have to make one for this. Undoubtedly a follower of Andoletta.

For that matter, I think one of my Kitsune only just hit 2. (Lotus Geisha Bard, eventually with levels of Metal Oracle.)

[Andrietta Ebonfeather]

pH unbalanced wrote:

I don't have a Tengu, but I might have to make one for this. Undoubtedly a follower of Andoletta.

For that matter, I think one of my Kitsune only just hit 2. (Lotus Geisha Bard, eventually with levels of Metal Oracle.)

"Grandmother knows that the world needs more hearth-wisdom. If you need advice or someone to set you straight, let me know, dear."

[pauljathome]

Hmm wrote:

I've been thinking for my next play by post of doing a private PFS recruitment for an all Tengu or all Kitsune table for a replayable. I think that could be super fun to see in action.

Murder's Mark of Crows.

The Snowy Foxes of Summer, or Master of the Foxy Fortress?

Hmm

Please, Please, pick me.

[Pirate Rob]

Fox Force 5?

[Zach Davis]

As long as one of them creates a character that tells a new corny joke each game session.

[FiddlersGreen]

Zach Davis wrote:

As long as one of them creates a character that tells a new corny joke each game session.

It will be a-maize-zing.

[Zach Davis]

FiddlersGreen wrote:

Zach Davis wrote:

As long as one of them creates a character that tells a new corny joke each game session.

It will be a-maize-zing.

Well "shucks." Looks like we have the perfect volunt-ear.

[Woran]

Fromper wrote:

Eric Ives wrote:

Alas, we are still waiting for some support for the Wayang's favorite goddess, Lao Shu Po. If your goddess used to be a mortal rat, there must be some interesting traits, feats, or spell options related to that.

Yeah, I keep saying I'd love to see the Tien pantheon get the Inner Sea Gods/Inner Sea Faiths treatment. I already have a paladin of Shizuru, and I've been tempted to make followers of a couple of those other deities, but haven't gotten around to it.

I also have a palladin of Shizuru, and my ratfolk cavalier worships Lao Shu Po. More information would be brilliant.

[Muser]

Bah, I've got an Arcadian Suli. Coming up with your own lore is half the fun.

"Why yes, we do indeed have combustion. And air planes"

[Hmm]

So my boyfriend Bret looked at this thread and said, "You've completely derailed your own thread!" Then he adopted a narrator voice and intoned, "And this is how Hmm only came to run PbPs for birds and foxes..."

I must finish my current PbP, which is nearing its boss fight. (This does not spoil anything for my current players, who are in fact madly preparing for said Boss Fight right now.) Once we conclude, I'll take a few days off and decide on birds or foxes, and then make a recruitment thread for my dumb idea because there's clearly a ton of interest!

Now to bring this thread BACK to its original topic.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for NO race retirements, because clearly everyone loves kitsunes and tengus so much that they want to play in an adventure that only focuses on them!

Hmm

[Quintin Verassi]

I would like to see the retirement of a race a year, as long as a new race replaced them. Honestly, making some of the boon races from previous years for GM boons would be nice. GMs still get something for GMing at Cons, but in a year or 2 everyone else can make that race. With the Sewer Dragons of Absalom currently working for the society (or with), It would be nice to see Wayang dropped for Kobolds.

[Ferious Thune]

For in-world reasons, I'm pretty happy with where we seem to be now. Since the Lantern Lodge has become a permanent part of the society and seems to be thriving, it makes sense that the Tien races would continue to be legal going forward. They're a part of the society now.

Mechanically, none of them are overpowered. There might be some things you can do with a Kitsune and Charm DCs or a Wayang as a small race with no strength penalty, but those things aren't nearly as common or as much of a potential issue as was faced with Aasimars and Tieflings.

Season 8 will be a good test of having so many additional races legal and whether or not that causes a problem.

[Ms. Pleiades]

Drogon wrote:

I have:

1 x half-orc
1 x halfling
1 x half-elf
1 x dwarf
1 x ifrit
8 x humans

Human: the only truly broken race. (-;

That's what a stringless bonus feat at first level does.

[Imhrail]

FiddlersGreen wrote:

We're all about introducing new elements to the game. ;)

One might say breathing new life into the game, or sparking new interest.

[FiddlersGreen]

Imhrail wrote:

FiddlersGreen wrote:

We're all about introducing new elements to the game. ;)

One might say breathing new life into the game, or sparking new interest.

Would that be testing the waters or breaking new ground? ;)

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

Protoman wrote:

Is it stated anywhere there's not gonna be any race retirements in season 8? I know the genie-kin races are announced in the new blog but can't find anything on the tien races.

Unlike aasimar and tiefling,there aren't any particularly broken races that need retirement.

[Mighty Squash]

Now we just need Grippli to go legal

[Glorious Pugwampitry]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

Hmm wrote:

Woo hoo!!! At the rate I get paid to post on these boards, I can...

Hmm looks at the pile of coppers the VC tossed her way

...buy a better quality set of rags for pan-handling!

Visit Drendle drengs discarded draperies duds for all your pan handling uniform needs.

You do not visit Drendle drengs discarded draperies duds!!!

Drendle drengs discarded draperies duds visits you!!! At two in the morning!!! Varisian Standard Time!!!
He does not even let you go through the used clw wands bag until you have gone through at least three junk bags!!! Then when you do you will get Drendle Drang Junk Mail!!! It even finds its way to your faction mission before you do!!!
I thought I once looted a True Ressurection spell, nope Drendle Drang Junk Mail in disguise!!! That was a suprise!!! Hey now I am rhyming but at least I am not Miming!!! That is what they do at the creepy andoran lodge!!! Nothing rhymes with what they do at Zarta's place....

[Lady Ladile]

As a relative newbie to PFS, I'll add that PFS is actually a good way for me to try races that are normally not available (or aren't a good fit) in most of the regular PbP games I see on the forums. So, thank you :)

[Cyrad]

Thank you so much.

I rarely get to play PFS (or PF for that matter). It's disheartening to see my character concepts not be possible because of a race retirement.

[Majuba]

*quietly raises hand as one dissenting voice, displeased at the increase in race availability*

[The Morphling]

*celebrates at the increase in available options, because my enjoyment of the game is not diminished by my fellow players being given more choices*

[Leg o' Lamb]

The Morphling wrote:

*celebrates at the increase in available options, because my enjoyment of the game is not diminished by my fellow players being given more choices*

I agree with you.

Unfortunately, my preferred race to play (hobgoblin) will never be sanctioned.

Le sigh

[Wei Ji the Learner]

It'd be nice to get a hobgoblin race boon out there.

[Leg o' Lamb]

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

It'd be nice to get a hobgoblin race boon out there.

It will never happen. There is a rather strict ban on traditionally "Evil" races: Kobolds, Hobgoblins, Drow, Orcs, etc.

I do not foresee this changing.

[nosig]

jon dehning wrote:

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

It'd be nice to get a hobgoblin race boon out there.

It will never happen. There is a rather strict ban on traditionally "Evil" races: Kobolds, Hobgoblins, Drow, Orcs, etc.

I do not foresee this changing.

we did get SOME goblins... so maybe?