Arbane,
It was kind of spelljamemer-ish but I also thought it was a great FF send off too.
Jeff,
The stuff before Secret Wars? Yeah that was kind of annoying.
Eh it was better than I thought but some of it I could have done without.
Especially after Civil War II made me wonder what the hell.
The Beyonders (also known as the Ivory Kings) are one faction of supremely powerful beings existing outside the multiverse (this place is the source of power for cosmic cubes). They were invented BEFORE the first Secret Wars (Marvel Two-In-One #63) and at the time they were introduced they collected planets. These beings together were more powerful than even the astract powers of the Multiverse (3 of them took down the Living Tribunal which is the right hand servant of the one above all...). This race likes to experiment with the multiverse and their latests experiment was meant to erase all of it. They planted several "bombs" one for each realty of the multiverse and prepared to have them detonate at the exact same time destroying everything in one big giant explosion. These "bombs" were molecule men.
Among their collections was "Counter Earth", the duplicate Earth created by the High Evolutionary, which was originally placed on the opposite side of the Sun from the original. When he found out that his prize creation was being exhibited as "amateur work", he went insane.
I think Counter Earth is currently in limbo (not the Marvel place but the general sense)
I really think the Monsters Unleashed thing isn't working as well I'd hope. Mostly because I've yet to see Godzilla. Maybe.
Okay now I'm pissed at Bendis even more. I was enjoying Jessica's trip to try to take down an anti-hero thingie.
But now that's she's doing it because some jack hole thinks because the universe got fix and no one paid for the crime? Seriously...
That's just fubar.
Anyone read Civil War 2: The Oath?
It's actually surprisingly introspective and serves as a pretty good lead in to the upcoming Secret Empire event.
Also, and bare with me here because this gonna sound crazy, I think it actually managed to retroactively make Civil War 2 itself less terrible by having Cap spend most of the issue psychoanalyze Carol and Tony as narcissistic jerks who would totally divide the entire superhero community just to prove how smart they are.
I think Counter Earth is currently in limbo (not the Marvel place but the general sense)
I think Counter Earth was retconned out of existence several universe revisions ago.
Delightful,
It would have been better if it NEVER happened. But like Steve Roger said, it was always about ego.
Too bad he's now ready to bring on HYDRA.
Drah,
Well there's that yes. Which is another thing I'm mad at Bendis for in writing this week's issue of Jessica Jones...
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It would have been better if it NEVER happened. But like Steve Roger said, it was always about ego.
Well, it never was. That claim was made by exact the same liars, that now try to take over and rebuild the country in an image it was never imagined to be.
In fact this issue made me sick to my stomach* because it is way to close to what happens right at this moment. There is one truthful sentence in this whole Monologue of Steve: "If something's wrong it stays wrong even if it succeeds."
And now the world is about to learn that they would have been better of with Osbourne in power.
*In this respect, it is a great comic. No wonder, as it is written by Nick Spencer
About the only Marvel book I am reading right now is Renew your Vows. Loving the Spider Family in action. Love how Anny's costume is all Pads and Helmet. Child Safety in Superhero parenting. This book is so much fun even if it is a What if/alternate universe thing.
Kind of hoping Spider-Girl/May Parker can pop in as a guest star at some point.
Wormy,
Not sure that's too.
Grey,
It would be nice to see May Parker showing up and teach Annie a few things.
Well two good things happened in Marvel today:
Coulson suspects HydraCap.
Dead No More is over.
...*reads the rest*... Yep pretty much it. I mean I liked this month's Ultimates 2 but...didn't do much to resolve things.
I mean other than we're sure there's STILL one Celestial left.
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Is anyone as excited about the return to status quo as I am? I want to see an evolving narrative but I don't think I liked a single thing in the ANAD line. The only character I continued following was Hercules and that was only out of devotion to the character, not because I was enjoying his stories. Hercules's CW2 tie-in ended months ago so Marvel's getting zero dollars from me currently.
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Feral,
Define status quo, because right now I have no idea what that would look like.
Feral,
I'm not sure they're "rolling stuff" back. There's some changes coming sure, no more Inhumans popping up all over, Mutants not dying from M-Pox and such. The Avengers might be fighting HydraCap.
But overall? I don't see a return to pre-Secret War.
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This article talks about it some.
I am told, as Marvel brings back the X-Men line with a bang, to expect a return to more of a status quo for titles such as Thor, Iron Man, Hulk and more. A more familiar looking Marvel Universe by the autumn – although, just as with Captain America, as classic-look-characters return, expect new characters to keep a number of their books.
I'm kind of with Jeff,
If you don't like what's going on now, I doubt the changes will improve anything.
I don't see status quo in terms of what's been done and talked about so far, Feral. Admittedly it's not been anything past June that I'm aware of. But so far other than a Generation show out promo, I don't see Jane Foster NOT being Thor, Tony is still in a coma, and Banner is still dead (though I keep thinking Jen might fill in for a while since she's going through some stuff.)
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Yeah, I don't claim to have any special insight into what 'status quo' means in this case. My comics news is limited to a spattering of articles and a couple related Youtube channels I follow.
I don't understand the argument that a return to status quo won't make people happy. They're unhappy about the changes. Return to status quo is exactly what they want. It likely won't bring everyone back and they'll probably lose some of their new subscribers but I think the Marvel Money People have determined that shaking things up as much as they did has not proven profitable compared to rehashing the tried and true.
I was never a Thor fan so I don't really care who call themselves Thor these days but I did like Hulk and I'm one of the few people that likes Bruce Banner (when he actually gets to have some character time and agency). I loved Cho when he was introduced as Herc's buddy but I wasn't impressed with him as Hulk and I'm indifferent toward She-Hulk. I would definitely resubscribe if Banner came back as Hulk (assuming he didn't come back completely different like what they did to Hercules).
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Honestly as much as I hate to say it, Status quo is only PART of the problem. I agree that marvel (and DC for that matter) has just about sunk their own ship with all these changes. I agree that people were very unhappy all the unnecessary changes and disregard for the classics and the marvel traditions... but honestly, Character changes are only PART of the reason I don't read comics much anymore.
Rolling the marvel universe back to pre-Secret Wars... Isn't enough. The entire landscape of the comics is so dark... so gritty... so unfriendly that comics aren't escapism anymore. The comic worlds are as bad, if not worse then the real world. (and considering the real world that says something...)
Pointless events. Hero vs. Hero CONSTANTLY... ultra violence. 2 issue stories that are stretched out to tpb 6 issue length. Focus more on the author of the books then the characters of the books... Failing to write for kids anymore and only focusing on the adult collector... Restarting books every 10 issues with a new #1...
Who is wielding Thor's Hammer or Cap's Shield is frustrating to me... but it's just the tip of the iceberg. To really appeal to the classic fans, you can't just roll back to Secret Wars... You'd have to go back at LEAST to Avengers Disassembled and the beginning of Bendis' reign. That's where I first noticed the decline of marvel and I haven't seen any silver lining since. One by one my list dwindled until Daredevil was the last, and then Shadowland hit...
Regardless of the article, I really don't think it'll ever see a glory day again.
To some extent it all always goes back to status quo. Banner will be Hulk again. Cap will be de-Hydrafied. Thor will be Worthy. Stark will be back in the armor.
I doubt it'll happen all at once and in most cases it won't be because of the Money People*, but because that was the story arc all along. But there will also be consequences and changes along the way.
*Any more than anything else is because of the money people. It's a business, after all.
I'm honest to god not convinced it was the story arc all along. I think that if the changes had affected the flat to sinking sales of comic books they'd have been basically permanent. I also think they suffered from the fact that, in the U.S. at least, political fatigue is really setting in and people need a place that these fights arent taking center stage for self-care (Which is what escapist hobbies like comics and rpgs are in many ways).
The reality is, a lot of their writers don't write convincing dialogue even for comic book dialogue. Sales are generally meh, and the movie universe is far better received than the comic book universe is. Take lessons from the way the movie/tv/netflix universe is put together and write stories like that and they'll have something going.
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Well as I said I am reading exactly 1 Marvel book right now and it's an alternate universe book. I didn't mind Champions but ultimately I just didn't have the budget to add it to my pull list (Try to limit myself to $20 a week)
Couldn't care less what happens to the regular Marvel U right now. It's got nothing to do with chracters getting replaced, in fact some of those ideas aren't bad.
But it's the overall Marvel Universe itself that I don't like. It just seems like the people writing it these days don't actually like heroes. Everything is Grey Morality, Conflicting Ideals, Hero vs. Hero, Fight the good fight but face the bitter realization you can never win. Heroes can never be happy or have families, etc...
I think that's why I like the who Superdad DC is doing right now and the Renew your Vows Spider-Man universe. Both Clark and Peter make good Dads. Seeing them be a role-modle for their kid is nice.
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Are Ms. Marvel and the new Champions series not kids stories? Maybe I have more confidence in the maturity of 8 to 12 year olds but those two seem definitely kid-friendly.
Are Ms. Marvel and the new Champions series not kids stories? Maybe I have more confidence in the maturity of 8 to 12 year olds but those two seem definitely kid-friendly.
kid friendly, yes, kids stories? That's debatable.
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Really, that's a problem with ANY new character. When was the last time a new character burst into the mainstream? Maybe the Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle? Arguably John Stewart?
And only those by virtue of animated series'.
And both of those new versions of existing characters.Really, that's a problem with ANY new character. When was the last time a new character burst into the mainstream? Maybe the Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle? Arguably John Stewart?
And only those by virtue of animated series'.
Jaie Reyes is an odd example because I thought they ended up butchering the character long before he ever appeared on the cartoons. His popularity really had nothing to do with the cartoons.
EDIT:Yeah... I doubt he got the push he did in the cartoons if it wasn't for his initial popularity.
Wow. I feel like the kid here for LIKING some of the changes. I mean Hank Pym's daughter (admittedly NOT Janet's daughter too), and the whole changes with Inhumans, I liked it.
As for events that aren't grim and gritty, well guess what that's exactly what Monsters Unleashed IS! Same is true for Devil Dinosaur and Moon Girl (who is growing on me)
Wolverine no longer being the ONLY kind of Wolverine we have (YAY Laura and no more Trigger scent!)
These are kind of stuff I like.
I don't think the status quo is coming back mostly because I don't see how it could, especially for the X-men and the rest of the Marvel Universe.
Things change. People don't like change I've decided.
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Well as I said I am reading exactly 1 Marvel book right now and it's an alternate universe book. I didn't mind Champions but ultimately I just didn't have the budget to add it to my pull list (Try to limit myself to $20 a week)
Couldn't care less what happens to the regular Marvel U right now. It's got nothing to do with chracters getting replaced, in fact some of those ideas aren't bad.
But it's the overall Marvel Universe itself that I don't like. It just seems like the people writing it these days don't actually like heroes. Everything is Grey Morality, Conflicting Ideals, Hero vs. Hero, Fight the good fight but face the bitter realization you can never win. Heroes can never be happy or have families, etc...
I think that's why I like the who Superdad DC is doing right now and the Renew your Vows Spider-Man universe. Both Clark and Peter make good Dads. Seeing them be a role-modle for their kid is nice.
Yeah, this whole everything is grim and gritty hysteria is something I've never bought into. You want optimistic and "fun" Marvel stories read US Avengers, Ms. Marvel, Might Thor, Totally Awesome Hulk, Spider-Gwen, Deadpool, Squirrel Girl, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur and of course Champions as you've mentioned.
The Marvel Universe is diverse in more ways than one and if you want a dark story or a light one you have various options.
Delightful,
Agreed. It's not grim and gritty. That's Batman. :p
Delightful,
Agreed. It's not grim and gritty. That's Batman. :p
You mean that guy from that new Lego movie. Pfff, my grandma's more gritty than that goofball.