Greater Trip + Sneak Attack


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I need a straight answer on this logic. I'm making a shovel-wielding Goblin that may end up a rogue or a fighter, and I need to understand this to decide where I'm going with this build.

If I successfully trip an enemy, can I apply sneak attack damage on the attack of opportunity granted by the Greater Trip feat?


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Prone: The character is lying on the ground. A prone attacker has a –4 penalty on melee attack rolls and cannot use a ranged weapon (except for a crossbow). A prone defender gains a +4 bonus to Armor Class against ranged attacks, but takes a –4 penalty to AC against melee attacks.

Since the Prone condition does not deny one their DEX bonus, sneak attack wouldn't be triggered.

You could use a Seven-Branched Sword to do this against most foes, though. On a successful trip attampt, a SBS causes the target to become flat-footed.


Yeah, in general nothing about tripping an enemy makes the meet the conditions for sneak attack. Regardless of whether or not you get an attack of opportunity. You don't get sneak attack for other attacks of opportunity unless you have meet the conditions of denied dex or flanked.


Thanks for the clarification, I'm gonna work on disarming and dirty tricks now.


You would get Sneak Attack on an attack of opportunity if you had an ally flanking the enemy, though. I think.


Blymurkla wrote:
You would get Sneak Attack on an attack of opportunity if you had an ally flanking the enemy, though. I think.

Yes, but it's because he is flanking not because he tripped.

If you are flanking the enemy, then all your melee attacks can be sneak attacks.


Seven-branched Sword
Benefit: The shorter blades can be used to snag opponents’ clothing or armor, or can target weapons in order to disarm them. To snag armor or clothing, the attacker makes a trip attempt. If successful, the victim doesn’t fall prone, but instead is snagged and stumbles forward, leaving the victim flat-footed for the remainder of the round.

So, instead of ending up on the ground from a trip attempt, the target is denied Dex bonus? Can you do both, trip and deny Dex bonus?


yes, if you trip them twice.

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No, the Seven Branch Sword uses a special maneuver that functions as a trip, but they are not knocked prone, simply made flatfooted. It would not trigger the AoO from Greater Trip or Vicious Stomp.


Greater trip would trigger, you're successfully tripped an opponent, just instead of going prone you tripped them to flat-footed.
Vicious stomp though you are correct, it doesn't trigger since no one went prone.


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Chess Pwn wrote:

Greater trip would trigger, you're successfully tripped an opponent, just instead of going prone you tripped them to flat-footed.

Vicious stomp though you are correct, it doesn't trigger since no one went prone.

This is correct. SBS specifically uses the Trip maneuver and Greater Trip triggers in a successful trip, not knocking someone prone.


Mind if I ask another question while I'm here?

I'm making a Goblin character who uses his favorite shovel as a main source of attack. I'm planning on a rogue path with this, but I need clarification on my situation.

If I were to use a monk's spade, disarm my opponent and swing at him, would I gain the benefit of Catch Off-Guard, making him flat-footed, so that I can add my sneak attack?


monk's spade isn't an improvised weapon.


Chess Pwn wrote:
monk's spade isn't an improvised weapon.

So the improvised quality is only applied to things that don't qualify as weapons? I should've clarified that I'm not proficient with the Monk's spade, would that change the situation?


BlingerBunny wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:
monk's spade isn't an improvised weapon.
So the improvised quality is only applied to things that don't qualify as weapons? I should've clarified that I'm not proficient with the Monk's spade, would that change the situation?

No. It's still not an improvised weapon, just one you're not proficient with. An improvised weapon is a broom or a bottle. Something along those lines. That would include an ordinary shovel, but not a specific weapon that has stats of a weapon.

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BlingerBunny wrote:
If I successfully trip an enemy, can I apply sneak attack damage on the attack of opportunity granted by the Greater Trip feat?

If you have a condition that provides Sneak Attack, then yes you can gain SA on the AoO from the Trip.

Usually this means you are Invisible or you have them flanked.

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