Suffocation vs Life Bubble


Rules Questions


Howdy,

A friend of mine came up with an interesting idea during a discussion we were having. To be clear, we haven't seen this come up during play.

Would Life Bubble provide immunity to Suffocation? The main suggestion is that Life Bubble allows the subject to "breathe freely." Would it work? Is it intended?

For consideration, I also brought up the effects of Chokehold and a called shot to the neck in relation to Life Bubble and whether one so afflicted would still be able to breathe. Additionally, I just thought of a cave in as another example to consider where breathing might be difficult.

What are your thoughts, rules forum?


Life Bubble surrounds you with a livable environment.
Suffocation forces the air out of your lungs.
Life bubble is still surrounding you with a livable environment, you just can't breathe it in when suffocating.


Life Bubble helps vs effects like the mountain domain ability Thin Air or Call the void spell but not from Suffocation, because the latter removes the air from the lungs despite air being available. As Splendor stated.

Same with chokehold: There is air to breathe but it doesn't reach the lungs.


Suffocation is cool like that. The only thing that really stops it is not needing to breathe in the first place.

Scarab Sages

You would need a way to get the monster ability No Breath to avoid suffocation. Void kineticists are the only way I can think of off the top of my head.


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Imbicatus wrote:
You would need a way to get the monster ability No Breath to avoid suffocation. Void kineticists are the only way I can think of off the top of my head.

Heavens spirit shamans effectively get it at level 8 as well.

Void Adaptation (Su): wrote:
The shaman gains darkvision out to 60 feet. If she already has darkvision, the range instead increases by 30 feet. In addition, the shaman can see in supernatural darkness, is constantly under the effects of endure elements, and doesn't need to breathe.

One of the reasons why Heavens is the best spirit in my opinion. See in Darkness and No Breath at level 8.


I believe starsoul bloodline sorcerers or something like also can become immune to it.


An Iridescent Spindle Ioun stone also avoids the need to breathe.


Sylphs have a feat that generates air in their lungs, which could work too.


As many point out above, only not needing to breath protects against Suffocation. It may be murkier with the Kineticist Suffocate as they could be filling lungs with water (a better option for some creatures) or just using telekinetics to strangle something (where no breath wouldnt apply?)

Liberty's Edge

So why does Life Bubble not let you breath freely when it is right in the spell description as its own distinct sentence?

From Life Bubble

You surround the touched creatures with a constant and moveable 1-inch shell of tolerable living conditions. This shell enables the subjects to breathe freely, even underwater or in a vacuum, as well as making them immune to harmful gases and vapors, including inhaled diseases and poisons and spells like cloudkill and stinking cloud.In addition, the shell protects subjects from extremes of temperature (per endure elements) as well as extremes of pressure.

Life bubble does not provide protection from negative or positive energy (such as found on the Negative and Positive Energy planes), the ability to see in conditions of poor visibility (such as in smoke or fog), nor the ability to move or act normally in conditions that impede movement (such as underwater).

It seems like the original question about chokehold and cave-ins is covered in the second paragraph that says Life bubble does not provide protection from ... conditions that impede movement.

Sovereign Court

Imbicatus wrote:
You would need a way to get the monster ability No Breath to avoid suffocation. Void kineticists are the only way I can think of off the top of my head.

Starflight from Eldritch template? (while in a vacuum only, it seems...)


Any other views on this? This is likely to come up at the table tonight and I would like to be able to say definitively that air bubble does not protect against suffocation, so we don't have arguments at the table...

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