| Velithin |
1)What is the earliest level you can summon a succubus?
2)What is the earliest level you can summon an Erinyes?
I want to make a cleric or summoner who primarily summons (or planar bindings) either of those two, but I want to start as early in level progression as possible.
Books allowed: anything pathfinder
nothing 3rd party, dnd 3.5 or 3.0
| DM_Blake |
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Totally enough. Every time.
Whatever level you are, your succubus lasts a number of rounds equal to your level. You and she, ah, well, you know, which means she drains 1 level from you for every round she's here. Which, by no coincidence, is the same number as the duration of her summons. No matter what level you are when you summon her, when she poofs back home you're level 0.
| Velithin |
Making a fallen aasimar whose lore is as follows.
- Was found by a cleric of Lamashtu
- Got lost in transfer, but lost in an unknown plane of hell
- Succubi/Erinyeses found the dude and made him their means of portaling into the real world
Mechanically, an Evangelist summoner would back two or three Erinyes bows, or I utilize the shear durability of the succubus with her life drain and my spells to debuff the enemy so they submit to my lovelies.
In all honesty, it depends on which creature I'm able to summon first.
Erinyes = Evangelist Support Cleric
Succubus = Debuff Support Cleric
Why wizard, if I may ask?
Edit: found differences between planar ally and binding. Arcane caster it is.
In which case, how soon can someone gain access to lesser planar binding?
| Matthew Downie |
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Make a Summoner with an Eidolon in the form of a Succubus? That way you can start from level 1.
You could also buy Planar Binding scrolls - a couple of thousand gold and some good Charisma checks and you've got your 'friend' for a week or two - which might be enough, depending on the pace of your game.
| Velithin |
Understood. In that case, in favor of not losing my soul to level drain, I'm going with a Lawful Evil Wizard who, though he is unable to cast the spell as of yet, he maintains a connection to the Lawful Hells when he can.
How would one go about optimizing a LE planar binding focused wizard? The conjuration school doesn't seem to have any real bonuses to the spell other than another casting, so I could take a different school, maybe transmutation or something.
Again, I want to focus less on actual blasting, and more on battlefield control or debuffing.
Edit: Teleportation school does seem like a good idea, though.
| Nox Aeterna |
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What's more disturbing is that the succubus can't turn her Energy Drain off. They're kind of like Rogue from the X-men, forever doomed to be unable to engage in intimacy without endangering their partner.
I do wonder if a body-condom might work though...
To be fair that is open:
Energy Drain (Su)
A succubus drains energy from a mortal she lures into an act of passion, such as a kiss. An unwilling victim must be grappled before the succubus can use this ability. The succubus's kiss bestows one negative level. The kiss also has the effect of a suggestion spell, asking the victim to accept another act of passion from the succubus. The victim must succeed on a DC 22 Will save to negate the suggestion. The DC is 22 for the Fortitude save to remove a negative level. These save DCs are Charisma-based.
So as long as it isnt considered "a mortal" it is all fair game.
| Velithin |
DM has ruled anything outside of the books he has is off limits.
Core, APG, ACG, UM, UC, ARG, ISG, and Harrowing Handbook
This is what I've got so far.
Vetala-Born (+2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Wis) Teleportationist
Lawful Evil
Alternate Trait: Dayborn
FCB: +1 Health, or +1/4 Necromancy CL
1 Improved Initiative
3 Spell Focus: Conjuration
5 Augment Summoning
W ?
7 Leadership
9 Spell Focus: Necromancy
As you may or may not have concluded by now, I really have no experience with metamagic feats, and as such, I'll be relying heavily on the guides, and you guys for this one.
Basic Strategy: Summon devil or devils, use necromantic spell for debuffs and battlefield control. At low levels, I'll focus on summoning and using a crossbow. Generally, I'll try to follow the Erinyes philosophy about combat. Conjure, then whittle down with necromancies for easier killing.
| SheepishEidolon |
Eidolon (as Matthew said) is a good approach to get it really early and with good duration. You would need houserules to get the typical succubus powers for it though. If it's just about the flavor, you'd be fine though.
Beside this, your GM could apply templates like 'Young Creature' and inverted 'Advanced Creature' (-2 on rolls, DCs, HP per level, -4 AC). Probably multiple times. The weakened succubus could then be conjured by Summon Monster V (or less) instead of VI. Or replace the eidolon. As you progress in level, the fiend could get the template(s) removed and profit from new, positive ones later.
| Azten |
kyrt-ryder wrote:What's more disturbing is that the succubus can't turn her Energy Drain off. They're kind of like Rogue from the X-men, forever doomed to be unable to engage in intimacy without endangering their partner.
I do wonder if a body-condom might work though...
To be fair that is open:
Energy Drain (Su)
A succubus drains energy from a mortal she lures into an act of passion, such as a kiss. An unwilling victim must be grappled before the succubus can use this ability. The succubus's kiss bestows one negative level. The kiss also has the effect of a suggestion spell, asking the victim to accept another act of passion from the succubus. The victim must succeed on a DC 22 Will save to negate the suggestion. The DC is 22 for the Fortitude save to remove a negative level. These save DCs are Charisma-based.
So as long as it isnt considered "a mortal" it is all fair game.
And it can be a mortal if she doesn't lure said mortal into the act. A wizard summoning her is not being lured in.
Veltharis
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Check out the Diabolist guide. Even if you don't use the prestige class (and based on the book restrictions you listed, you couldn't), it has a lot of handy general conjurer tips. The author's also worked on guides to the Planar Binding spells, so they'd be good to look at as well.
| Tacticslion |
| Velithin |
Charlie Bell
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Totally enough. Every time.
Whatever level you are, your succubus lasts a number of rounds equal to your level. You and she, ah, well, you know, which means she drains 1 level from you for every round she's here. Which, by no coincidence, is the same number as the duration of her summons. No matter what level you are when you summon her, when she poofs back home you're level 0.
It's important to use protection. Death ward.
| Tacticslion |
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