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New details about The First Order and Kylo Ren.

Some interesting quotes.

"Kylo Ren is not a Sith," director JJ Abrams told Empire Magazine. "He works under Supreme Leader Snoke, who is a powerful figure on the Dark Side of the Force."

He also shared details about The First Order isn't just what remains of Empire, it's something different.

Using World War II as an analogy.

"That all came out of conversations about what would have happened if the important Nazis all went to Argentina but then started working together again?" JJ Abrams said. "What could be born of that? Could The First Order exist as a group that actually admired The Empire? Could the work of The Empire be seen as unfulfilled? And could Vader be a martyr? Could there be a need to see through what didn’t get done?"

That subject was explored a bit in EU. One of the interesting details of those books was how the culture in The Empire changed after the Rebellion succeeded. The Emperor was a bit of a xenophobe, hence the fact that command structure was made up of mostly human males. Thrawn was the only non-human character to hold the highest rank in the Imperial Navy, and his existence was a carefully guarded secret.

I have maintained from the small bit of information we have sen so far that the Knights of Ren seem to have allied with The First Order but not in command or control of remnants of The Empire.

Further speculation.


Was the emperor REALLY a xenophobe or was it just cheaper to outfit folks as humans rather than come up with alien costumes?

Liberty's Edge

The Sith and the Empire have always been 'aliens' bad, humans good.


cmastah wrote:
Was the emperor REALLY a xenophobe or was it just cheaper to outfit folks as humans rather than come up with alien costumes?

Given the number of alien costumes elsewhere in the movies, it seems to have been conscious choice.


Krensky wrote:
The Sith and the Empire have always been 'aliens' bad, humans good.

the empire yes, the sith, no.


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Lucas has made it known that he NEVER wants those unaltered original available. And despite selling the franchise to Disney, he still apparently has enough rights to veto this. (The situation is made even more complex because 20th Century Fox has distribution rights for all the films until 2020, and has the full rights for Star Wars in perpetuity.)

So basically, until Lucas's death, there CAN'T be a 1080/24p, 7.1 DTS HD MA Blu-Ray of the ORIGINAL original trilogy (and even then, it will require a deal between 20th Century Fox and Disney).

Lucas sold Lucasfilm and everything it owns, including STAR WARS in its entirety, to Disney. So no, Lucas does not have power of veto over there being a DVD/Blu-Ray release. In fact, it's been pretty widely reported behind the scenes that Lucasfilm/Disney had been trying to get a good deal going with Fox for a Blu-Ray release of the original trilogy out in time for the new film. That's still possible (they could announce it with 2-3 months to go in a couple of weeks) but seems less likely now.

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http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/08/the-first-order-featured-on-the- cover-of-the-latest-issue-of-empire-magazine.html

Actually, the stormtroopers on the cover are from the original trilogy. And the Falcon is still in its original state (with the original dish rather than the one lost in the DS2). Apparently these were deliberate choices on the part of Abrams and Lucasfilm, not mistakes. What it means is anyone's guess (although some believe it's a hint to an OT Blu-Ray announcement, as above :) ).

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the empire yes, the sith, no.

In the EU, the Sith originally were aliens, and the humanoid Sith picked up where they left off with their teachings (also, Darth Maul was an alien). Whilst the EU proper has been eliminated from canon, the historical background stuff, especially that related to the ongoing OLD REPUBLIC video game, is in a much hazier state, so this may still apply.

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Werthead wrote:
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http://www.starwars7news.com/2015/08/the-first-order-featured-on-the- cover-of-the-latest-issue-of-empire-magazine.html
Actually, the stormtroopers on the cover are from the original trilogy. And the Falcon is still in its original state

I caught that as well, the magazine you quoted does have the new Stormtroopers inside the magazine, I think the artist's rendition of the covers were more because he was using stock footage for the cover art.


I really think Kylo's sword saber looks silly....Darth Maul's lightsaber could be USED as a staff saber, how is Kylo going to use the hilt? Even stylistically it just looks out of place. Plus if he's not a dark side user of the force, why is his lightsaber red?


It's exhaust from vents he built into it. I think he diyed his lifesaber and it is not as polished as others. And color coding lifesabers is largely a thing of the past.


cmastah wrote:
I really think Kylo's sword saber looks silly....Darth Maul's lightsaber could be USED as a staff saber, how is Kylo going to use the hilt? Even stylistically it just looks out of place. Plus if he's not a dark side user of the force, why is his lightsaber red?
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"Kylo Ren is not a Sith," director JJ Abrams told Empire Magazine. "He works under Supreme Leader Snoke, who is a powerful figure on the Dark Side of the Force."

Sounds like he is on the dark side, just not a Sith.

As for the sword? It looks cool. Practicality isn't high on the priority scale in Star Wars.

I always though Maul's weapon was pretty impractical too - you can't actually use it as a staff, since you can't hold anything but the middle. Still, it looked cool.

Liberty's Edge

Even in legends there is nothing that ties saber color to either side of the force. Sith tended to use synthetic (red) crystals and Jedi tended to use natural (all other) crystals for philosophical reasons. Nothing required them or prevented choosing the other,

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Freehold DM wrote:
And color coding lifesabers is largely a thing of the past.

I think the color of lifesavers is related to their candy flavor.

Not as sure about lightsaber though ... :)


Marc Radle wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
And color coding lifesabers is largely a thing of the past.

I think the color of lifesavers is related to their candy flavor.

Not as sure about lightsaber though ... :)

rotflllllll

Ah, autocorrect. Making star wars delicious!

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Disney and Mars should get together and do something for the new movie...

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Star Wars the Force Awakens taking over ALL IMAX screens for four weeks in December.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Star Wars the Force Awakens taking over ALL IMAX screens for four weeks in December.

happy birthday to me.

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cmastah wrote:
I really think Kylo's sword saber looks silly....Darth Maul's lightsaber could be USED as a staff saber, how is Kylo going to use the hilt?

You are very late to this party, my friend. Ask Stephen Colbert.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Star Wars the Force Awakens taking over ALL IMAX screens for four weeks in December.

THANK GOD Lowes Lincoln Center IMAX has reserved seating.

No waiting out in the cold on lines for hours on end. YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!


I may run into you.

Sovereign Court

I've never been to an IMAX...

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ShinHakkaider wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Star Wars the Force Awakens taking over ALL IMAX screens for four weeks in December.

THANK GOD Lowes Lincoln Center IMAX has reserved seating.

No waiting out in the cold on lines for hours on end. YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!

Hullo! That's one of my two theaters of choice! Shin, time for you to meet Baron and Freehold.

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Hama wrote:
I've never been to an IMAX...

Time to pop that cherry for this Hama.

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Is this Anakin's lightsaber lost by Luke in The Empire Strikes Back?

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Does Serbia even have IMAX?


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Star Wars the Force Awakens taking over ALL IMAX screens for four weeks in December.

The bloody movie will be released exclusively in 3D, will it?


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Well I'm out, I can't watch Imax or 3-D it literally makes me sick.

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Krensky wrote:
Does Serbia even have IMAX?

No it doesn't. Croatia does. But that's like 300-400 miles away and too expensive for me to travel.


So come to ny and watch it with us!

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That would involve going to New York though, Freehold.

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Fabius Maximus wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Star Wars the Force Awakens taking over ALL IMAX screens for four weeks in December.
The bloody movie will be released exclusively in 3D, will it?

Wait ... What?!?


Krensky wrote:
That would involve going to New York though, Freehold.

a win/win!

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Freehold DM wrote:
Krensky wrote:
That would involve going to New York though, Freehold.
a win/win!

You have a curious way of spelling loose. ;)


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Well sure New York is fairly loose, but isn't that what's so intriguing:-)


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Krensky wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Krensky wrote:
That would involve going to New York though, Freehold.
a win/win!
You have a curious way of spelling loose. ;)

So do you if you meant lose :P

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God damn phone keyboards and their auto entry.


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Typical.

Always blame the phone.

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Just checked. It would cost me an arm and a leg to get there. Would be fun though...


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Hama wrote:
Just checked. It would cost me an arm and a leg to get there. Would be fun though...

I can take the Arm and Leg today, and mail you the check Monday.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Well I'm out, I can't watch Imax or 3-D it literally makes me sick.

Same. Throbbing headaches and nausea.


Orthos wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Well I'm out, I can't watch Imax or 3-D it literally makes me sick.
Same. Throbbing headaches and nausea.

Yes! exactly that, it sucks!


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Obviously you two should swap with Hama. He can come here and watch it in IMAX 3D and you can go to Serbia and watch in without.

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Leave it to Jeff to find the obvious solution!

;)


But I'm in Wisconsin, that's almost Siberia :-)

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thejeff wrote:
Obviously you two should swap with Hama. He can come here and watch it in IMAX 3D and you can go to Serbia and watch in without.

Yeah we only have it in regular 3D

Not even hfr

Liberty's Edge

I'm confused - is someone saying the movie will not be released in good old normal 2D theaters?

Liberty's Edge

Welcome to the glorious future.

With luck we'll breed the inability to handle polarized images out of the genepool in a generation or three.


Marc Radle wrote:
I'm confused - is someone saying the movie will not be released in good old normal 2D theaters?

Someone said so, but I didn't actually anything in the linked story that did.

Liberty's Edge

That's what I thought! Sounds like someone is confused.

Ok, back to normality again


Krensky wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Krensky wrote:
That would involve going to New York though, Freehold.
a win/win!
You have a curious way of spelling loose. ;)

you're only making new York sound better.


thejeff wrote:
Obviously you two should swap with Hama. He can come here and watch it in IMAX 3D and you can go to Serbia and watch in without.

but I want Orthos to come see it here.

I've never seen a man take 1d4 points of sundual damage a round before by being in new york. I mean I'm sure CH can heal him, but still.

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