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((I truly hope this is the right board for build help threads. Was not sure about here, Advice, or Suggestions.))
In short, I want to make Rico Suave, The Most Interesting Man in the World, with a hint of Austin Powers, all wrapped up in our king Fabio.
Requirements
- A pretty, humanoid race. I don't care how many ranks you have in charisma, goblins and kolbolds are not pretty boys. Prefer nothing with features that are off-putting to beings not of that race. EG: The pointed ears of an elf, fine; the slightly green tinted skin of a half orc, acceptable; the feathers and beak on a tengu, not so much.(Edit: No racebuilder, forgot it even existed)
- No 3rd party or 3.5 converted abilities. Anything printed by Paizo for Pathfinder from the splat books, core rulebook, to a trait found in an AP is fair game.
- Abilities need to be focused on communicating with others; cha, int, wis, bluff, diplomacy, knowledge, languages, anything that makes him be able to smooth talk his way in and out of anything and everything is what I want.
- Steals the show. Let the meat shields, backstabbers, spell chuckers, holy nutters, and skill monkeys deal with combat. When it comes to being the party face, that is his forte.
Let it be known, combat is beyond secondary for him. If he stands in the back and smiles like Chip Skylark holding a crossbow the whole fight, that is fine by me. That being said, if you can fit showy swordsmanship to woo the ladies into his arsenal of tricks, please do. I was thinking the most effective way was to go bard, but feel free to show me otherwise. This character will be in two campaigns; one is a level 20 dungeon crawl where the party "has all of the bases covered, make whatever you want". The other is being brought into the Mummy's Mask AP. That party will be loosing a tanky character in the form of a Huntmaster Cavilier.
With that, feel free to...
- post any builds you have (no matter how complete)
- link threads to similar topics
- tell me a feat/skill/trait/random tidbit I should know
- explain why I am a bad person for going into a dungeon crawl with the intend for trolling my friends
- something gimicky that would be fun
- a personality trait/flaw that could enhance the fun of this amazing man
- not spoil the AP for I have not read anything and know nothing beyond the first tomb you complete.
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I'd use the Advanced Race Guide's, race builder, and make a Satyr into a PC race. I think Swashbuckler would be good class for him. Yeah, the class is combat oriented, but it has adventurous and handsome written all over it!
Fun idea btw! :)
EDIT: Once Occult Adventure is released, the Mesmerist would work awesome!
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I like the Empiricist Investigator archetype for this, coupled with the Student of Philosophy trait. So many things now run off Intelligence that you barely need Charisma (and can dump it), and boosting Int gives you even more skill points. Underworld Inspiration and Expanded Inspiration give you free inspiration on loads of skills, and you can up it with Amazing Inspiration. Edetic Recollection makes you a flawless knowledge-monkey.
This guy doesn't even need to suck at combat. Mutagens can boost physical stats, Alchemy can give you loads of natural attacks and other boosts. Strength or Dex builds are both viable.
I have been shown otherwise, the Investigator with that archetype seems silly as a combo. Right now, bard does not seem the way to go. Please keep the ideas coming. I would love to get enough input to be able to be able to make a guy to non-combat focused PCs in Pathfinder.
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+4 sacred bonus on Charisma checks and Charisma-based skill checks
/cevah
Human slayer(Vanguard) 6 / Noble Scion 10 + VMC(Bard) this is a guy I've been polishing off for a while unchained absolutely made this guy a star. Basically the idea behind this guy is he's an immortal noble that always exists in some form. After level 7 but before level 15/16 his greater leadership cohort is an exact copy of him but just a "younger" version of him. After 15/16 there is an unlimited number of him all of which are the same level. My picture of him is a suave youngish noble that grows into a great singer/orator that focuses on cha skills, his cohort is "backup" singer and the servitors are groupies.
Slayer is chosen for its high base skills and the overall "best" class to sacrifice into noble scion.
Human for silver tongue, bonus feat/focused study, and if you want an extra talent you can go 6 levels and delay NS but that just depends one if a talent is worth it.
Kitsune arcanist, with the blood arcanist archetype for the fey bloodline. Kitsune always seem to be good looking in the art, which matches one of your criteria, and this character can be the master of charming people; you miss out on the sorcerer favored class benefit but gain the arcane reservoir which should keep you equal or ahead on save DCs from levels 1-11.
BTW this sort of subject more commonly goes in the Advice forum.
...Oh, I have a bard build for this. It's a human bard (geisha) who took the Triple-Skill-Focus instead of the normal feat slot.
And then I put the perform bonus from the class's bardic knowledge replacement into perform (sing) for maximum bluff/sense motive while also putting points into diplomacy which they also get the bonus to.
As a bard you're still a force multiplier for your party, and you gain the ability to make a darn fine cup of tea.
...Oh, I have a bard build for this. It's a human bard (geisha) who took the Triple-Skill-Focus instead of the normal feat slot.
And then I put the perform bonus from the class's bardic knowledge replacement into perform (sing) for maximum bluff/sense motive while also putting points into diplomacy which they also get the bonus to.
As a bard you're still a force multiplier for your party, and you gain the ability to make a darn fine cup of tea.
That sounds a lot like my PFS bard. He has a +20 diplomacy and +12 bluff/sense motive at level 4. It is PFS so he does have some use in combat (buffing/SoL caster) but this kind of character can do well in both home games and organized play.
I have been shown otherwise, the Investigator with that archetype seems silly as a combo. Right now, bard does not seem the way to go. Please keep the ideas coming. I would love to get enough input to be able to be able to make a guy to non-combat focused PCs in Pathfinder.
Why do you think so? And what do you think is silly about it?
Either way, the investigator i a really cool class that can be modelled in a lot of directions.
By just taking the infusions talent you can contribute to combat through the backdoor.. by handing out buffs to your party.
And you shine at skills without half trying. Add half-elf for their favored class bonus and it gets even stronger.
@Cevah - Please, tell me more about this and where I can find it!
@onyxlion - That is an interesting twist on the idea. I like how it sounds. Hmmm.
@avr - Kitsune is a strong option. The bloodline build I did not think of. As for the subforum, noted.
@Just a Guess - It just seemed silly. I like things that stack, I did not mean anything negative about it. Currently it is the option I am going to stick with for the Mummy's Mask AP, but that can easily changed.
@Everyone - Thank you! I really want to be able to compile a bunch of options and make a guide once this is over. So many things I never would have thought of or found.
Don't get me wrong, Bard's great for this, but Empiricist is also great for it and I'm curious about your casual dismissal of it.
I am not dismissing it at all. As I said in my previous post, that is the current build I am going with. That ability comboing is silly and I liked it. Silly does not mean bad.
Well, although not totally inept in combat (defintly not optimized for it at all), here is my Rise of the Runelords face man character:
Casamen Bolmosa
Male human (Varisian) fighter (lore warden) 2/noble scion 5/rogue (charlatan, scout) 8 ( Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Pathfinder Society Field Guide , Pathfinder Player Companion: Animal Archive ,
Pathfinder RPG Advanced Player's Guide 134, Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Combat 72)
CG Medium humanoid (human)
Hero Points 3
Init +10; Senses Perception +8
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Defense
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AC 32, touch 19, flat-footed 26 (+7 armor, +2 deflection, +5 Dex, +1 dodge, +1 insight, +2 natural, +4 shield)
hp 80 (15 HD; 13d8+2d10)
Fort +10, Ref +16, Will +11 (Immune to possession and mental control (including charm and compulsion effects like command and charm person))
Defensive Abilities evasion
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft.
Melee +1 agile dueling keen rapier +18/+13/+8 (1d6+7/15-20)
Ranged +2 stalking composite shortbow +20/+15/+10 (1d6+3/19-20/×3)
Special Attacks scout's charge, skirmisher, sneak attack +5d6
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 15th; concentration +21)
1/day—deep slumber (DC 19)
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Statistics
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Str 10, Dex 20, Con 10, Int 16, Wis 8, Cha 22
Base Atk +11; CMB +14 (+16 disarm); CMD 31 (33 vs. disarm)
Feats Butterfly's Sting, Combat Expertise, Deceitful, Deific Obedience, Dodge, Eldritch Heritage UM, Improved Familiar, Improved Feint, Leadership, Mobility, Persuasive, Skill Focus (Bluff), Skill Focus
(Diplomacy), Skill Focus (Knowledge [nobility]), Voice Of The Sibyl UM, Weapon Finesse
Traits charming, favored son/daughter - belor hemlock
Skills Acrobatics +25 (+35 to make high or long jumps), Appraise +10, Bluff +41 (+43 to Feint, +42 vs. characters who could be attracted to you), Climb +5, Craft (tattoo) +15, Diplomacy +45 (+46 vs. characters who could be attracted to you), Disguise +18, Handle Animal +16, Heal +0, Intimidate +21, Knowledge (local) +18, Knowledge (nobility) +28, Knowledge (religion) +10, Linguistics +8, Perception +8 (+12 to avoid surprise), Perform (Kama Sutra) +23, Perform (oratory) +33, Profession (courtesan) +5, Ride +13, Sense Motive +5, Sleight of Hand +13, Spellcraft +10, Stealth +15, Survival +5, Swim +5, Use Magic Device +25
Languages Common, Draconic, Giant, Halfling, Shoanti, Sylvan, Varisian
SQ +4 to perception to avoid surprise, affluent, aristocratic erudition, bloodline arcana (+1 DC for metamagic spells that increase spell level), deep slumber 1/day, dillettante studies (dilettante scoundrel,
dilettante warrior), grand hoax, hero points, natural born liar, prestigious influence, regional expertise (taldor), rogue talents (charmer, finesse rogue, honeyed words, offensive defense), silver tongued
Combat Gear cold iron durable arrow (25), elixir of spirit sight , potion of bull's strength , potion of cure moderate wounds (2), potion of cure serious wounds , quick runner's shirt , silversheen durable arrow (25),
sniper goggles , wand of cure light wounds (1 charges) , wand of hold person (22 charges) , wayfinder, shining; Other Gear +1 mind buttressing mithral agile breastplate , +3 mithral buckler , +1 agile dueling
keen rapier , +2 stalking composite shortbow , greater slaying arrow (2), hushing arrow (3), sleep arrow (5), dusty rose prism ioun stone , amulet of natural armor +2 , belt of incredible dexterity +4 , boots of
elvenkind, bracers of falcon's aim , cloak of resistance +3 , efficient quiver, expedition pavilion , greater diadem of persuasive rule , handy haversack , headband of alluring charisma +4 , ring of jumping
(improved), ring of protection +2 , stone of alliance , bedroll, belt pouch, elite guard tabard: masterwork tools diplomacy/intimidate, everburning torch, grooming kit, masterwork artisan's tools, masterwork tool, masterwork tool, mess kit, shaving kit, trail rations (7), waterskin, winter blanket, light horse (combat trained), bit and bridle, riding saddle, saddlebags, tent, medium, gemstones (worth 500 gp, 0.02 lb) (20), painting of iesha foxglove (worth 600 gp), scarf of iesha foxglove (worth 100 gp), writ (worth 68,860 gp), 40 pp, 92 gp, 4 sp, 8 cp
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Special Abilities
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+4 to Perception to avoid surprise +4 to Perception to determine if you are aware of foes just before a surprise round.
Affluent (3750 gp) (Ex) Gain stipend at each level.
Aristocratic Erudition -2 (Ex) -2 to discover public information about you.
Bloodline Arcana: Arcane (Ex) When a spell level is increased by a metamagic feat, it gains +1 DC.
Butterfly's Sting You can forgo a critical hit in order to pass it on to an ally.
Prerequisites: Combat Expertise, worshiper of Desna.
Benefit: When you confirm a critical hit against a creature, you can choose to forgo the effect of the cr
Charmer (2/day) (Ex) Can roll 2d20 for Diplomacy check and take the better result.
Charming +1 Bluff/Diplomacy/save DC for a language-dependent spell vs. targets who could be sexually attracted to you.
Combat Expertise +/-3 Bonus to AC in exchange for an equal penalty to attack.
Deep Slumber 1/day (Sp) 1/day use deep slumber as a spell like ability.
Deific Obedience Purify yourself daily to prove devotion to a deity and gain benefits.
Elixir of spirit sight This elixir seems to be made of thick vapor rather than liquid, and constantly emits soft whispers when uncorked. For 1 minute, the drinker gains the ability to see invisibility (as the spell),
and his weapons and armor are treated as if they had the ghost touch special ability.
Construction
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, plane shift, see invisibility; Cost 500 gp
Empathic Link with Familiar (Su) You have an empathic link with your Arcane Familiar.
Evasion (Ex) If you succeed at a Reflex save for half damage, you take none instead.
Familiar Bonus: You gain the Alertness feat while your familiar is within arm's reach.
Favored Son/Daughter - Belor Hemlock +1 Knowledge (Local) and it is a class skill.
Greater Diadem of persuasive rule +5 competence bonus to CHA-based checks (skills already included) and Leadership score
Hero Points Hero Points can be spent at any time to grant a variety of bonuses.
Honeyed Words (2/day) (Ex) Can roll 2d20 for Bluff check and take the better result.
Improved Feint You can make a Bluff check to feint in combat as a move action.
Leadership (Base Score 26) You attract loyal companions and devoted followers.
Mobility +4 to AC vs. AoO provoked by moving out of or through a threatened area.
Natural Born Liar (Ex) Creatures deceived by Bluff check take a -2 penalty vs your Bluff checks for 24
hours.
Offensive Defense (Ex) Sneak attack grants a +1 dodge bonus to AC for each die rolled vs. that foe.
Prestigious Influence (200 gp/week) (Ex) Use influence to recieve special treament, favors, and services.
Quick runner's shirt (1/day) As swift action, take an extra move action to move on your turn.
Ring of jumping (improved) As a ring of jumping, except it grants a +10 competence bonus on its wearer’s Acrobatics checks made to make high or long jumps.
Construction
Requirements: Forge Ring, creator must have 10 ranks in the Acrobatics skill; Cost 5,000 gp
Rumormonger (6/week) (Ex) Use Bluff to spread a rumor through a community.
Scout's Charge (Ex) Charge attacks deal sneak attack damage as though foe is flat-footed.
Scry on Familiar (1/day) (Sp) You can scry on your familiar, as the spell.
Share Spells with Familiar Can cast spells with a target of "You" on the familiar with a range of touch.
Silver Tongued You can shift a creature's attitude by three steps with Diplomacy.
Skirmisher (Ex) After move 10 ft, first attack deals sneak attack damage as though foe is flat-footed.
Sneak Attack +5d6 Attacks deal extra dam if flank foe or if foe is flat-footed.
Sniper goggles The leather strap attached to these bulbous lenses allows their wearer to fit them to his head. The wearer of these goggles can make ranged sneak attacks from any distance instead of the normal 30 feet. When making ranged sneak attacks within 30 feet, the wearer gains a +2 circumstance bonus on each sneak attack damage die.
Construction
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, true strike; Cost 10,000 gp
Speak with Familiar (Ex) You can communicate verbally with your familiar.
Stone of alliance (1/day) Bound creature has status effect. Activate to transfer conditions from them to master.
Voice of the Sibyl Gain bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Perform (oratory) checks
His familiar is a faerie dragon, his cohort is a pseudo-dragon ranger 5/rogue 5.
He is very fun to play!we just ended the 5th Chapter, about to enter the final chapter of the AP, =)
@Just a Guess - It just seemed silly. I like things that stack, I did not mean anything negative about it.
It's not only negative it is insulting*. That's why I asked you to explain why you are so rude. But instead of doing that you just repeat it.
*It implies that everyone who likes it is silly.