
Carvar |
Alright this is my first post so sorry if I go against norms here. I have been lurking here for casual advice but for this it seems no has made a post. You can skip this paragraph if you like it just story. So we are playing an XCrawl game which in short is where North America is an empire and tyrannical but holds games where people fight through televised dungeons and those are called XCrawl. So I wanted to start a revolution and due to a great DM the story centered around that. I had gotten a revolutionary war veteran to join us, the city of Montreal, and random other people to help fight the secret revolution while at lvl 3. My party was all on my side except for one pro empire rouge and I felt he had to be handled. So I had us go camping with the plan to Coup De Grace him while he slept with a pickaxe but he missed that session. After 2 more failed attempts I felt there was a plan to get rid of me because I had lost contact with my team so I planed for the worst but what happened I could not have predicted. I was the equivalent of cleric and during a crawl the empire rouge left the party to a break room while we fought. So it was me, a cleric, a gun mage (sorry forget the name), and an alchemist. As we entered the final room something level god knows what came and accused me of crimes and I had to fight to survive. By his side was the pro empire rouge and my team then left my side to join his. So to deal with the situation I used my paper wasp hive and trapped the rouge in a beads of force with them, he died. But the giant guy one shot me and I feel dead. Now to the interesting part I had quit praying to Venus and began praying to Pluto and assorted demon lords before I died. Now, naturally, I want revenge and possible a TPK at my hands and the hands of a war mage who is ready to help me.
The TL;DR I want to kill my party and need help finding the best class and race to pull this off with a war mage as well as any advice I can get. Also I may want to try to become a demon or gain the alligance of a Demon Lord (probably of wrath) and have a fun time destroying the people who betrayed me.

Zhayne |
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Don't. Just don't. This is pure 100% bullcrap. Get over yourself.
Your character is dead; he was betrayed. You were not. You're just being a jerk to the rest of the players by bringing in a character who has NO REASON to be against the party. The rest of the group would be well within their rights to throw you out of the game for such blatant dickery.
Grow up and get over it.

Carvar |
Don't. Just don't. This is pure 100% bullcrap. Get over yourself.
Your character is dead; he was betrayed. You were not. You're just being a jerk to the rest of the players by bringing in a character who has NO REASON to be against the party. The rest of the group would be well within their rights to throw you out of the game for such blatant dickery.
Grow up and get over it.
They were for killing other party members until the risk was they're characters and I think they may expect it.

Carvar |
Zhayne wrote:They were for killing other party members until the risk was they're characters and I think they may expect it.Don't. Just don't. This is pure 100% bullcrap. Get over yourself.
Your character is dead; he was betrayed. You were not. You're just being a jerk to the rest of the players by bringing in a character who has NO REASON to be against the party. The rest of the group would be well within their rights to throw you out of the game for such blatant dickery.
Grow up and get over it.
I get that this is childish and such but me and another chaotic evil player have had plans to wipe the party if it meat pleasing our gods and my cleric gave everything to the demon lord of wrath.

Carvar |
Carvar wrote:I get that this is childish and such but me and another chaotic evil player have had plans to wipe the party if it meat pleasing our gods and my cleric gave everything to the demon lord of wrath.Zhayne wrote:They were for killing other party members until the risk was they're characters and I think they may expect it.Don't. Just don't. This is pure 100% bullcrap. Get over yourself.
Your character is dead; he was betrayed. You were not. You're just being a jerk to the rest of the players by bringing in a character who has NO REASON to be against the party. The rest of the group would be well within their rights to throw you out of the game for such blatant dickery.
Grow up and get over it.
rather than a TPK do you have any other suggestions for how I can get a resolution

Carvar |
A path to the Dark Side this is.
End in tragedy this will.
Walk away you should.
And perhaps not play Chaotic Evil in the future should you.
I see this is the consensus, I was actually chaotic good my last game and now have sided with demon lords. Do you have any other ways I could get a resolution without a TPK

Makarion |
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Carvar wrote:rather than a TPK do you have any other suggestions for how I can get a resolutionCarvar wrote:I get that this is childish and such but me and another chaotic evil player have had plans to wipe the party if it meat pleasing our gods and my cleric gave everything to the demon lord of wrath.Zhayne wrote:They were for killing other party members until the risk was they're characters and I think they may expect it.Don't. Just don't. This is pure 100% bullcrap. Get over yourself.
Your character is dead; he was betrayed. You were not. You're just being a jerk to the rest of the players by bringing in a character who has NO REASON to be against the party. The rest of the group would be well within their rights to throw you out of the game for such blatant dickery.
Grow up and get over it.
Quit the game. You are clearly not looking for the same kind of fun as most players, and unless you want to create a reputation as the kind of player people should avoid at all cost, it's best to just quit and go do something else. Maybe an online shooter?

born_of_fire |
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Carvar wrote:I get that this is childish and such but me and another chaotic evil player have had plans to wipe the party if it meat pleasing our gods and my cleric gave everything to the demon lord of wrath.Zhayne wrote:They were for killing other party members until the risk was they're characters and I think they may expect it.Don't. Just don't. This is pure 100% bullcrap. Get over yourself.
Your character is dead; he was betrayed. You were not. You're just being a jerk to the rest of the players by bringing in a character who has NO REASON to be against the party. The rest of the group would be well within their rights to throw you out of the game for such blatant dickery.
Grow up and get over it.
That character is dead. Move on to a new character. Why would Dave the Barbarian care one whit about Tom the Cleric's motivations and loyalties? Unless you are an odious meta-gamer of pretty much the worst sort, the answer should be that Dave doesn't, he has his own goals in life.

chbgraphicarts |

I see this is the consensus, I was actually chaotic good my last game and now have sided with demon lords. Do you have any other ways I could get a resolution without a TPK
You were Chaotic GOOD, and you were worshiping VENUS?
I guess I could see Venus being Chaotic Neutral.
My bigger question is why PLUTO is associated with Demon Lords; Pluto realistically is Lawful Neutral - the guys was EASILY the most level-headed of all the Olympian deities, and the worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone (and thereafter stayed COMPLETELY FAITHFUL to her, which is a lot more than can be said for his two brothers...)

Teatime42 |

Honestly, it looks like your whole party (Yourself included) may be the dickish ones, generally trying to kill off other players is a... poor way to allow everyone to have fun. The Rogue was well within his rights to turn your plan back on you like he did (Did ya try converting him? :P ).
Personally? I'd find another group, this looks like a ball of stress and drama that should be avoided.

Teatime42 |
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...bigger question is why PLUTO is associated with Demon Lords; Pluto realistically is Lawful Neutral - the guys was EASILY the most level-headed of all the Olympian deities, and the worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone (and thereafter stayed COMPLETELY FAITHFUL to her, which is a lot more than can be said for his two brothers...)
Your Dresden files might be showing.

Carvar |
Honestly, it looks like your whole party (Yourself included) may be the dickish ones, generally trying to kill off other players is a... poor way to allow everyone to have fun. The Rogue was well within his rights to turn your plan back on you like he did (Did ya try converting him? :P ).
Personally? I'd find another group, this looks like a ball of stress and drama that should be avoided.
not so sure honestly thats probably a good question I dont have an answer to

Carvar |
chbgraphicarts wrote:...bigger question is why PLUTO is associated with Demon Lords; Pluto realistically is Lawful Neutral - the guys was EASILY the most level-headed of all the Olympian deities, and the worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone (and thereafter stayed COMPLETELY FAITHFUL to her, which is a lot more than can be said for his two brothers...)Your Dresden files might be showing.
It was a last option he wouldnt convert it was actually us trying to convert him which lead to my death

kestral287 |
chbgraphicarts wrote:...bigger question is why PLUTO is associated with Demon Lords; Pluto realistically is Lawful Neutral - the guys was EASILY the most level-headed of all the Olympian deities, and the worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone (and thereafter stayed COMPLETELY FAITHFUL to her, which is a lot more than can be said for his two brothers...)Your Dresden files might be showing.
Eh, not really. All the Olympian gods are dicks to various degrees. But Pluto pretty much just did his own thing and ignored the rest. He played by the rules, he was generally fair (paradise for good people, bad people... well, he was creative in his punishments). As was noted, the only time he did anything that could be construed as evil that I can think of was the whole Persephone deal.
He's definitely not chaotic or evil. I could see him placed as LN or N, and could see an argument for LG even (though that one's a bit of a stretch).

Claxon |
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So you're upset that your character got killed, when his plot to kill another character got spun on him and resulted in his death? With the other party members being complicit in it with the person you had plotted to kill?
Sounds like your whole party is full of dicks who don't know how to play a cooperative game and foster a fun environment.
Now, with harsh words said. Why don't you go back to your group and apologize for what your were plotting to do which forced the player of the target character to react in the same fashion setting of this whole set of events. Then, why don't you ask if you all can continue the game with PVP being off the table as an option. That way everyone knows it, and realizes they have to resolve things in some other fashion in the game.
You current game dynamic just sounds incredibly unhealthy to me.

boring7 |
Welp, looks like this thread's gonna be a mess, but I'll wade in anyway because I never learn.
So let's start at the top. This is Pathfinder rather that White Wolf, and endless cycles of betrayals, off-the-wall politics and ridiculous antics involving hatef$*#ing and backstabbing is pretty low-percentage. Most of us don't do it, most of us don't like it, and the rules and gamemastery guidelines don't advise on it so much as say, "don't do this, dummy."
You don't care, you're rolling a rollicking wildside of goth, broke out that fiddle, and went to the crossroads. That's fine, but we're not THAT interested and we have difficulty believing you have a whole band of like-minded players all enjoying the backstabbing crazy-ass politic games of your average V:tM LARP. Also your spelling is atrocious.
Here's the advice:
What the ass is Xcrawl? Well it's 3.5 instead of PF so already we're kind of out of the running and YOU are in a realm that allows Pun-Pun the Mighty, a level 1 kobold wizard who uses infinite loops and some shoddy rule sets to ascend to godhood using mastery of the rules. What you want to do outside of recursive nonsense like that is really up to you and the DM.
What makes sense? Well you have a Lawful(?) Evil society with bloodsports and general horribleness. You have a failed revolutionary who turned to worshipping demons and monsters. You have a party of betrayals and corrupted ideals. And for all your talk about BEING betrayed, you betrayed that rogue (stuff your "just causes") first with your assassination attempts and plans. Your tainted soul is likely to go to Carceri, the prison-pit of despair, betrayal, and darkness. Any deal made with a demon is a betrayal waiting to happen and doubly so in Carceri.
Arzial, the Blooded Baron may not live in Carceri but he's the demon-lord of rebellion, so he makes the most sense as someone funding your little attempt at a revolution.
The demon most associated with betrayal is the Glabrezu, an ugly, 4-armed beast of immense physical power and difficulty gaining enough caster levels to be relevant. On the flip side, a glabrezu sorceror can use any spell-trigger items and is really big, making for a decent spellwarrior.
The biggest challenge is coming up with an excuse as to why your soul did anything but get devoured.

HannahJ 08 |

Teatime42 wrote:chbgraphicarts wrote:...bigger question is why PLUTO is associated with Demon Lords; Pluto realistically is Lawful Neutral - the guys was EASILY the most level-headed of all the Olympian deities, and the worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone (and thereafter stayed COMPLETELY FAITHFUL to her, which is a lot more than can be said for his two brothers...)Your Dresden files might be showing.Eh, not really. All the Olympian gods are dicks to various degrees. But Pluto pretty much just did his own thing and ignored the rest. He played by the rules, he was generally fair (paradise for good people, bad people... well, he was creative in his punishments). As was noted, the only time he did anything that could be construed as evil that I can think of was the whole Persephone deal.
He's definitely not chaotic or evil. I could see him placed as LN or N, and could see an argument for LG even (though that one's a bit of a stretch).
In some versions Persephone goes with him willingly because her mother is so busy tending to the earth that she's lonely and Pluto is the first god/person/being that is interested in her. The nymphs that spend time with her only did so because her mother asked. I'd agree with neutral for him, but why is Venus good? She married Hephaestus and then slept with Mars, even for chaotic good that seems wrong. She's more chaotic neutral.

Ronk Bonk |

Alchemists are good on damage and they rarely miss since the bomb hits touch AC. I would go with the Grenadier archetype. Summoners look like fun and many people speak of the brokenness of the synthesist summoner.
I don't have a group that could do this and someone not be butt hurt but you I guess do. So have fun with the bloodshed.
Best of luck

kestral287 |
In some versions Persephone goes with him willingly because her mother is so busy tending to the earth that she's lonely and Pluto is the first god/person/being that is interested in her. The nymphs that spend time with her only did so because her mother asked. I'd agree with neutral for him, but why is Venus good? She married Hephaestus and then slept with Mars, even for chaotic good that seems wrong. She's more chaotic neutral.
Some versions yes, but that's not the common way I've heard that myth go down. Either way-- not evil.
Venus, I would put solidly at True Neutral. She's selfish to the core, and never concerned about the bigger picture. While she doesn't follow rules, the only freedom Venus really cares about is her own. Thus, Neutral.
Honestly, I'd put a fair number of the Olympians at N.

GypsyMischief |

Alright, stop telling the OP that his party is composed of dicks. We all agree that this group should try a more cooperative approach but allowing PVP to occur naturally is not badwrongfun. I feel like stilted parties that don't ever have conflict "because reasons" are far more unbelievable than this party is...can't find the right word for it, but you get the idea.
Now, OP, seriously, let it go, stop trying to kill the other player, they might have been paying along so as to not rock the boat, but you're just being vindictive at this point. Don't stay DMing for a while, by the way.

Teatime42 |

Teatime42 wrote:chbgraphicarts wrote:...bigger question is why PLUTO is associated with Demon Lords; Pluto realistically is Lawful Neutral - the guys was EASILY the most level-headed of all the Olympian deities, and the worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone (and thereafter stayed COMPLETELY FAITHFUL to her, which is a lot more than can be said for his two brothers...)Your Dresden files might be showing.Eh, not really. All the Olympian gods are dicks to various degrees. But Pluto pretty much just did his own thing and ignored the rest. He played by the rules, he was generally fair (paradise for good people, bad people... well, he was creative in his punishments). As was noted, the only time he did anything that could be construed as evil that I can think of was the whole Persephone deal.
He's definitely not chaotic or evil. I could see him placed as LN or N, and could see an argument for LG even (though that one's a bit of a stretch).
I mentioned it, because that was the argument in a Dresden Files Book, pretty close to exactly what he said actually. Was a good book, and a good moment. :)

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I must ask, which of the following two options would you rather take given the consequences listed with each respectively?
1. Pursue revenge in hopes of causing a TPK, thereby ending the game and possibly resulting in you being banned from further games as well as a lot of strife between players.
OR
2. Pursue revenge against the play style that fosters this kind of a grudge-bearing environment by playing a character that promotes cooperation between group members. This would likely allow the campaign to move on and for your continued participation at the table in addition to setting you up for more benevolent interactions in the future.
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The choice is yours, just remember that revenge causes more revenge and that the best way to take revenge on revenge itself is to forgive.