Would this Trait be broken?


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Niten-Ichi Practitioner
Combat Trait

You may use your Strength score in place of your Dexterity in order to meet the prerequisites of Two-Weapon Fighting or any feat which lists Two-Weapon Fighting as a prerequisite

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The idea basically comes from 2 points:

1) It makes two-weapon-fighters much less MAD than Two-Handed characters, and allows Two-Weapon combatants to be nearly as effective as Ranged and Two-Handed combatants.

2) This is based in solidly in reality, as Miyamoto Musashi preached the use of dual-weapon fighting, and was able to do so largely because of his massive strength. It goes to reason, then, that Pathfinder characters of equivalent strength should be able to do what he did, as well.

Then again, this might be a little TOO good, and could negate Dex being used for melee offense at all.

Would this be okay, or would this trait just be too broken, and I shouldn't include this in my games at all?


Not as a trait, maybe a feat.

Not even nearly as broken as Dex as it adds AC and initiative.


And Reflex save.


So, for example, instead of Weapon Finesse, it might be:

Powerful Ambidexterity
Prerequisites: Str 15
Effect: In order to meet the prerequisites for Two-Weapon Fighting and feats which list Two-Weapon Fighting as a prerequisite, you may use your Strength score in place of your Dexterity.

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Is that a little better?


That certainly sounds fair


IDK if putting it as a feat is a good idae. opens up a lot of min\max chease.
if your point is the teaching of some long dead samurai i think it will be better off as a samurai's prestige-classe\arch-type class ability.
after all this was somewhat tought to followers of a individual as THEIR way of fighting. can't be more prestige\uniqe class then that.


I don't think this trait is OP, but as others have pointed out, this trait is acting more as a feat than a trait.

Feats build off of each other and combo for various effects. Traits shouldn't really lead into builds or start feat chains.

Now as a feat, I think this would be underwhelming. You can already meet TWF prereqs with items and starting with at least 13 dex is not that hard. But when homebrewing leaning on the side of underpowered is probably preferred.

You can prevent prevent abuse and give the feat more oomph by having it act as TWF and allowing you to use strength for the dex prereq for ITWF and GTWF, but add a restriction that prevents precision damage from being applied while using this feat.


Rangers and Slayers are already ignoring dexterity and qualifying for TWF. I agree the trait is too powerful, but making it a feat just puts the Two-Weapon Fighters and Brawler Fighters more in line with other TWF classes.


The whole point of twf ranger though gets nullified by this. Maybe then you need to add something to him to balance out. Like lowering two weapon rend to lvl 6 for him or something.


After Slashing Grace and Agile Weapons, this could restore some balance between strength and dexterity, this is one of the best custom feats i have read in a while. Well done.


I think it lags flavor. But then again TWF to get extra attacks is a bit on the silly side to begin with. If we are in home brew country i would just lower the prereqs on TWF and go from there.

Verdant Wheel

To go with the Deadly Agility.

Double Slice (alternate)
Benefit: In order to meet the prerequisites for Two-Weapon Fighting and feats which list Two-Weapon Fighting as a prerequisite, you may use your Strength score in place of your Dexterity score. In addition, you may add your full Strength bonus to damage rolls made with your off-hand weapon.
Normal: You must use your Dexterity score to qualify for Two-Weapon Fighting, and your off-hand attacks have their damage bonus from Strength reduced by half.


shroudb wrote:
The whole point of twf ranger though gets nullified by this. Maybe then you need to add something to him to balance out. Like lowering two weapon rend to lvl 6 for him or something.

I kinda feel like Rangers being able to do this without a feat is a bigger bonus than you're giving it credit for.

This would be a lighter feat load than going the dex-based TWF route, but still heavier than the Ranger and Slayer.

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