One thing I learned in PFS play was that Acid Splash essentially replaces rogues for quietly entering buildings. It takes a lot of time, but it eventually works. My party found a place to hide in an alleyway and bored in through a wall.
So I imagine fire works the same, except it causes light, heat and generally much more ado. I don't know about rules for catching fire, but eventually damage will work. I'd just expect the whole dungeon to be waiting on the other side.
How, exactly, is a maximum of 4 damage, halved, getting through even wood's 5 hardness, to say nothing of stone's 8?
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One thing I learned in PFS play was that Acid Splash essentially replaces rogues for quietly entering buildings. It takes a lot of time, but it eventually works. My party found a place to hide in an alleyway and bored in through a wall.
So I imagine fire works the same, except it causes light, heat and generally much more ado. I don't know about rules for catching fire, but eventually damage will work. I'd just expect the whole dungeon to be waiting on the other side.
Doesn't work. Elemental damage is halved and object hardness is applied.
[url]http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/damaging-objects#TOC-Energy-Attac ks[/url]
I'm sorry if I've cluttered things up unnecessarily. Thank you for letting me know. Given that the previous thread was locked, I figured that posting on it was no longer allowed. I tend to be abysmal at figuring out little nuances like this, so I'm honestly grateful for the advice.
I didn't realize that it was locked. I gave up after scanning 2 pages of threadjack. Apologies if it came off as heavy-handed.
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The Devs have specifically said, as does that section, that some elemental damage may deal full damage (things like fire on wood etc) though I agree hardness would still stop it without some work.One thing I learned in PFS play was that Acid Splash essentially replaces rogues for quietly entering buildings. It takes a lot of time, but it eventually works. My party found a place to hide in an alleyway and bored in through a wall.
So I imagine fire works the same, except it causes light, heat and generally much more ado. I don't know about rules for catching fire, but eventually damage will work. I'd just expect the whole dungeon to be waiting on the other side.
Doesn't work. Elemental damage is halved and object hardness is applied.
[url]http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/damaging-objects#TOC-Energy-Attac ks[/url]
The exact phrase is "Some energy types might be particularly effective against certain objects, subject to GM discretion. For example, fire might do full damage against parchment, cloth, and other objects that burn easily"
Wood does not necessarily burn easy like paper, it will take a bit to smoulder and catch fire, the biggest part is the GM discretion...and that is for doing full damage. Hardness applies as you agree.
In the example of the other poster Acid Splash doing a d3 is not going to go through a stone wall with a hardness of 8 even at full damage.
Basically the OP needs to get more strict on this player and his burning through doors. Halve the damage, apply hardness, let them get ambushed a few times.
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I'm sorry if I've cluttered things up unnecessarily. Thank you for letting me know. Given that the previous thread was locked, I figured that posting on it was no longer allowed. I tend to be abysmal at figuring out little nuances like this, so I'm honestly grateful for the advice.I didn't realize that it was locked. I gave up after scanning 2 pages of threadjack. Apologies if it came off as heavy-handed.
TBH it did come off as heavy. You came screaming in like a jerk boss.
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Hey, everyone. So, the next session will be today, and I'm going to ask for a copy of his Character Sheet. I've talked with him about some of the problems, and he admitted that the Quicken feat allowing him 2 spells per round was stupid. He was sad to hear that the +30 feet speed thing wasn't going to be allowed, but I think he'll get over it.
In addition, as something I probably should have mentioned, rather than using point buy, we used the 4d6 drop lowest method, so all of my players have distinctly above average stats. I don't know if any of my players has a stat below 10.
So, we'll see how this session goes, and if his character's still too powerful after the removal of the additional 30 feet and the Quicken feat, I'll be sure to post his full character sheet.
Good thing is that he seems fairly reasonable about the changes.
FAQ on rays being affected by things that affect weapons.
All of those things I am aware of, and they aren't applicable. they are broad-based bonuses that don't actually target anything.
Arcane Strike is indeed akin to Greater Magic Weapon.
here's the feat:
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You draw upon your arcane power to enhance your weapons with magical energy.
Prerequisite: Ability to cast arcane spells.
Benefit: As a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power. For 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For every five caster levels you possess, this bonus increases by +1, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level.
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Note the first sentence. You "Imbue your Weapons". That means the feat requires you to have a weapon at the time of the swift action. If you don't, then there's no benefit.
The ray does not exist at the time of your swift action, so it can't receive the benefits of Arcane Strike. It's more akin to GMW in this instance, it's not a blanket effect like bardsong, which affects TH/DMG, it does not target weapons at a specific point in time and give them a temporary bonus.
Mind you, I don't think it hurts anything to give the bonus, unless you're looking at abusing cantrips somehow, but RAW, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work.
If the feat left off the first sentence, you'd be in good territory. But that swift action and imbuing weapons language is shooting you down.
==Aelryinth
Is he wearing armor or using magic?
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Seems like he should be more in line with the others now, no spells far beyond his level (you may want to let him retrain the Quicken Spell feat he was apparently using for something that's worthwhile now though, as that feat won't be any use for a good many levels), his Ray of Flame doing the correct (1d6+2 most likely) damage instead of way beyond it and facing items actual hardness, with his speed back down to what it should be as well and you letting him know no AC stacking (simply take the highest) and making sure he is rolling that Arcane Failure for every spell you should be good to go with a far more appropriate power level player!
FAQ on rays being affected by things that affect weapons.All of those things I am aware of, and they aren't applicable. they are broad-based bonuses that don't actually target anything.
Arcane Strike is indeed akin to Greater Magic Weapon.
here's the feat:
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You draw upon your arcane power to enhance your weapons with magical energy.Prerequisite: Ability to cast arcane spells.
Benefit: As a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power. For 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For every five caster levels you possess, this bonus increases by +1, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level.
=================Note the first sentence. You "Imbue your Weapons". That means the feat requires you to have a weapon at the time of the swift action. If you don't, then there's no benefit.
The ray does not exist at the time of your swift action, so it can't receive the benefits of Arcane Strike. It's more akin to GMW in this instance, it's not a blanket effect like bardsong, which affects TH/DMG, it does not target weapons at a specific point in time and give them a temporary bonus.
Mind you, I don't think it hurts anything to give the bonus, unless you're looking at abusing cantrips somehow, but RAW, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work.
If the feat left off the first sentence, you'd be in good territory. But that swift action and imbuing weapons language is shooting you down.
==Aelryinth
You can cast the spell, hold charge, use the swift for arcane strike while you have your "weapon" ready and finally make the touch attack as a free.
The FAQ has made pretty clear that you can consider touch attack spells as a weapon, so I think that, by RAW, arcane strike can be used with spells as scorching ray (or acid splash). I don't even see the cheesiness because if it is true that with scorching ray you get up to three times the intended bonus, the way in which resistances work makes these type of spells of little use against a prepared opponent. I usually prefer one big impact instead of several little ones.
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Well, I've got some info from the player's character sheet:
Ifrit Sorcerer 3
STR 10
DEX 17
CON 17
INT 12
WIS 8
CHA 2017 AC (4 armor + 3 from DEX)
FORT 4
REF 4
WILL 4Unfortunately, it seems like the player in question uses his character sheet as more of a quick reference for the session, and he keeps the rest of his character info at home. All the same, it looks like he's not going to be nearly as overpowered as he was before.
If there's any other info you want, I could probably just ask him, but I'm not sure if there's much else to say at this point.
The bolded above is mine. I wouldn't allow this, especially if you believe him to be overpowered. My common practice is to keep a copy of the full character sheet of each person on hand, in case they miss a session or leave theirs behind or some other mishap happens. That way you are all on the same page and someone cannot "remember" some stat or item that they don't have incorrectly. Some people cheat, and some people have faulty memories; either way, this prevents that.
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I wonder if he got the +30 foot move by taking the trait that says "You can take another race's trait" and then looked at "Racial traits" in the race's description (instead of race traits from the trait list) on the race, and thought you could stack its 30' move on top of his own. That hair-splitting difference in terms has caused confusion in one of my previous games as well.
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He's wearing very little armor, only enough for a 5% arcane spell failure chance. He sometimes uses Mage Armor too, for an AC of 21.Also, what armour gives a +4 Armour Bonus with only a 5% Arcane Spell Failure chance? Even a mithral shirt has a 10% Arcane Spell Failure.
+2 Darkleaf Leather Armor
+2 Darkleaf Rosewood Armor+2 Lamellar Cuirass
+1 Darkleaf Hide Shirt
+1 Darkleaf Leaf Armor
+1 Darkleaf Parade Armor
+1 Darkleaf Studded Leather
I had make a database list of it here.
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The bolded above is mine. I wouldn't allow this, especially if you believe him to be overpowered. My common practice is to keep a copy of the full character sheet of each person on hand, in case they miss a session or leave theirs behind or some other mishap happens. That way you are all on the same page and someone cannot "remember" some stat or item that they don't have incorrectly. Some people cheat, and some people have faulty memories; either way, this prevents that.Well, I've got some info from the player's character sheet:
Ifrit Sorcerer 3
STR 10
DEX 17
CON 17
INT 12
WIS 8
CHA 2017 AC (4 armor + 3 from DEX)
FORT 4
REF 4
WILL 4Unfortunately, it seems like the player in question uses his character sheet as more of a quick reference for the session, and he keeps the rest of his character info at home. All the same, it looks like he's not going to be nearly as overpowered as he was before.
If there's any other info you want, I could probably just ask him, but I'm not sure if there's much else to say at this point.
Absolutely, positively, 100% this. No-one should ever be playing without a full character sheet with them. I'm not going to say that your player is a dirty stinking cheater, but I can't think of a way to finish this sentence...
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He's wearing very little armor, only enough for a 5% arcane spell failure chance. He sometimes uses Mage Armor too, for an AC of 21.Also, what armour gives a +4 Armour Bonus with only a 5% Arcane Spell Failure chance? Even a mithral shirt has a 10% Arcane Spell Failure.+2 Darkleaf Leather Armor
+2 Darkleaf Rosewood Armor
+2 Lamellar Cuirass
+1 Darkleaf Hide Shirt
+1 Darkleaf Leaf Armor
+1 Darkleaf Parade Armor
+1 Darkleaf Studded LeatherI had make a database list of it here.
Fair enough (and it's an impressive compilation).
I still want to hear which one of these his 3rd level Sorcerer is wearing. From the way it was described, sounds like his light armour is no big deal. The cheapest one of these would cost more than 50% of his WBL.
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I have to agree with The Shining Fool on the 'no character sheet' thing, memory is fallible, the player needs a full sheet there for both themselves and you, if it's not written down on the sheet they shouldn't be allowed to use it. Much as I don't like to jump to conclusions without ample evidence in front of me it seems that the player either simply doesn't have a clue as to how the rules work or that they are selectively picking which rules they follow and just hoping you wouldn't notice the rest of the 'mistakes' they made.
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Well, I've got some info from the player's character sheet:
Ifrit Sorcerer 3
STR 10
DEX 17
CON 17
INT 12
WIS 8
CHA 2017 AC (4 armor + 3 from DEX)
FORT 4
REF 4
WILL 4Unfortunately, it seems like the player in question uses his character sheet as more of a quick reference for the session, and he keeps the rest of his character info at home. All the same, it looks like he's not going to be nearly as overpowered as he was before.
If there's any other info you want, I could probably just ask him, but I'm not sure if there's much else to say at this point.
Players need to have the character sheet with them every session because it is easy to forget things. You need to require that everyone have a complete sheet before the 1st session even starts.
FAQ on rays being affected by things that affect weapons.All of those things I am aware of, and they aren't applicable. they are broad-based bonuses that don't actually target anything.
Arcane Strike is indeed akin to Greater Magic Weapon.
here's the feat:
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You draw upon your arcane power to enhance your weapons with magical energy.Prerequisite: Ability to cast arcane spells.
Benefit: As a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power. For 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For every five caster levels you possess, this bonus increases by +1, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level.
=================Note the first sentence. You "Imbue your Weapons". That means the feat requires you to have a weapon at the time of the swift action. If you don't, then there's no benefit.
The ray does not exist at the time of your swift action, so it can't receive the benefits of Arcane Strike. It's more akin to GMW in this instance, it's not a blanket effect like bardsong, which affects TH/DMG, it does not target weapons at a specific point in time and give them a temporary bonus.
Mind you, I don't think it hurts anything to give the bonus, unless you're looking at abusing cantrips somehow, but RAW, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work.
If the feat left off the first sentence, you'd be in good territory. But that swift action and imbuing weapons language is shooting you down.
==Aelryinth
You can cast the spell, hold charge, use the swift for arcane strike while you have your "weapon" ready and finally make the touch attack as a free.
The FAQ has made pretty clear that you can consider touch attack spells as a weapon, so I think that, by RAW, arcane strike can be used with spells as scorching ray (or acid splash). I don't even see the cheesiness because if it is true...
No, you can't.
Read the above. You are imbuing a weapon, a physical object. Imbuing your hand is going to do nothing for a Ray or a Touch Attack like shocking grasp...both things are not material objects, they don't exist until the moment they are discharged, and thus not valid targets for the effect.
Like I said before, you can't imbue Greater Magic weapon into a ray or touch attack, you can't do it with Arcane Strike, either. The imbue language pretty much hoses it.
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Absolutely, positively, 100% this. No-one should ever be playing without a full character sheet with them. I'm not going to say that your player is a dirty stinking cheater, but I can't think of a way to finish this sentence...
Completely agreed. If I don't have a character sheet on file, the PC isn't being played. I require a copy e-mailed every level, so I can print one if someone's missing and a different player is going to fill in.
I trust my players, but we're all human and part of the DM's job is to know the game better than the players, to check for the "I thought this worked X way" situation.
...FAQ on rays being affected by things that affect weapons.All of those things I am aware of, and they aren't applicable. they are broad-based bonuses that don't actually target anything.
Arcane Strike is indeed akin to Greater Magic Weapon.
here's the feat:
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You draw upon your arcane power to enhance your weapons with magical energy.Prerequisite: Ability to cast arcane spells.
Benefit: As a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power. For 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For every five caster levels you possess, this bonus increases by +1, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level.
=================Note the first sentence. You "Imbue your Weapons". That means the feat requires you to have a weapon at the time of the swift action. If you don't, then there's no benefit.
The ray does not exist at the time of your swift action, so it can't receive the benefits of Arcane Strike. It's more akin to GMW in this instance, it's not a blanket effect like bardsong, which affects TH/DMG, it does not target weapons at a specific point in time and give them a temporary bonus.
Mind you, I don't think it hurts anything to give the bonus, unless you're looking at abusing cantrips somehow, but RAW, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work.
If the feat left off the first sentence, you'd be in good territory. But that swift action and imbuing weapons language is shooting you down.
==Aelryinth
You can cast the spell, hold charge, use the swift for arcane strike while you have your "weapon" ready and finally make the touch attack as a free.
The FAQ has made pretty clear that you can consider touch attack spells as a weapon, so I think that, by RAW, arcane strike can be used with spells as scorching ray (or acid splash). I don't even see the
Give it a rest boys, or take it to one of the myriad threads dedicated to this. You're not really advancing the cause of the OP with this constant bickering.