Sacred Summons - Can it work with scrolls?

[taldanrebel2187]

Sacred Summons:

Prerequisites: Aura class feature, ability to cast summon monster.

Benefit: When using summon monster to summon creatures whose alignment subtype or subtypes exactly match your aura, you may cast the spell as a standard action instead of with a casting time of 1 round.

It says when "using" summon monster. Does that mean you can combine this with scrolls or wands? Seems sort of overpowered, but how does Pathfinder Society run it?

[Claxon]

Feats and traits do not affect spells you don't actually cast using spell slots, unless you have some sort of specific ability to do so.

So no, using a scroll to summon a good aligned creature wouldn't allow you to use the scroll to cast it as a standard action.

[Melkiador]

I learned some things reading over this one. I would say that it is a standard action, because

prd wrote:

Activating a scroll is a standard action (or the spell's casting time, whichever is longer)

And for you, the spell's casting time is a standard action, so the item activation would be a standard action.

[Lifat]

Melkiador wrote:

I learned some things reading over this one. I would say that it is a standard action, because

prd wrote:

Activating a scroll is a standard action (or the spell's casting time, whichever is longer)

And for you, the spell's casting time is a standard action, so the item activation would be a standard action.

As Claxon wrote... Your feats and abilities do not work with spell-trigger items unless said abilities/feats specifically say so, meaning that the summon monster spell would be a 1 round action, again meaning that the scroll would take 1 round to cast as per your own quote.

[Melkiador]

Lifat wrote:

Melkiador wrote:

I learned some things reading over this one. I would say that it is a standard action, because

prd wrote:

Activating a scroll is a standard action (or the spell's casting time, whichever is longer)

And for you, the spell's casting time is a standard action, so the item activation would be a standard action.

As Claxon wrote... Your feats and abilities do not work with spell-trigger items unless said abilities/feats specifically say so, meaning that the summon monster spell would be a 1 round action, again meaning that the scroll would take 1 round to cast as per your own quote.

The closest thing I could find was this old thread:

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kbiq?Intense-Spells-and-ScrollsWands#1

[taldanrebel2187]

Why not? It says using the spell, not casting it. By using a spell-trigger item you are actually using the spell. Sacred Summons isn't effecting the spell, it's affecting the spell's outcome. I think this should be FAQ'd.

[kinevon]

taldanrebel2187 wrote:

Why not? It says using the spell, not casting it. By using a spell-trigger item you are actually using the spell. Sacred Summons isn't effecting the spell, it's affecting the spell's outcome. I think this should be FAQ'd.

You are using the scroll, which has an unmodified version of the spell.

For PFS, this is substantiated by looking at the Scrollmaster archetype, which includes the ability, at 10th level, to use a scroll and treat it as though they were casting it. There are also a couple of Magus arcanas that affect rod and wand use in a similar fashion.