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The books "blood of fiends" and "blood of angels" make them very versatile, almost any favorable stat combo can be achieved. They have interesting traits, and being a native outsider has some advantages for spell targeting. In addition, they have darksight. Lastly, they're cool. Never underestimate the cool factor (it's why Lamborghini is still making cars).
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Its the blood of fiends/blood of angels books that let you pick from a large variety of stats and some pretty nifty feats/other abilities. For most characters there's a really good +2 +2 combination or +2 +2 -don't care for you.
Its also less "AHHHHH!!! PANICK! Make an aasimar!" and more of an event "lets make an aasimar", like trying to play a holiday themed scenario near a holiday.
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We have folks here planning on running Master of the Fallen Fortress five(!) times in a day to make a bunch of 1xp tieflings and aasimar. While they are cool for RP, both give a net +2 to abilities over any other race. Some players don't want to lose the "best" mechanical option in the game; others have concepts that work well with tor depend on the various mechanical options available to them.
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I don't see what the problem is. So we have a handful of players who stockpile aasimars and/or tieflings. So what? It's not like they can play more than one at a time. And in a few months the minor surge of planetouched characters will taper off naturally.
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We have folks here planning on running Master of the Fallen Fortress five(!) times in a day to make a bunch of 1xp tieflings and aasimar. While they are cool for RP, both give a net +2 to abilities over any other race. Some players don't want to lose the "best" mechanical option in the game; others have concepts that work well with tor depend on the various mechanical options available to them.
Yup. And part of that is to have them, part of that is to use them, and i think no small part of that is the party atmosphere around the marathon event.
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Never mistake a few frenzied postings as representative of "everyone". I've generated ONE, and exactly ONE tiefling since the announcement, just to get the feeling of playing one. I've already got two aasaimar characters, and that's enough for me.I'm fairly new to PF, but I have noticed the panic about the loss of Aasimars and Tieflings that is coming up. Everyone seems to be on a mission to stockpile them as they would if it was announced that oxygen and water will be switched off soon.
What announcement is this?
I suddenly feel I've missed something.
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I've indulged a bit in the "Outsider Preservation Society" but I'm certainly not stockpiling to the extent some people have. For me, I've been kicking around different race / class combinations that I've never played for a while (I GM four times as often as I play) so I've amassed a number of concepts. Sure, I'll probably never *use* all of them, but from the sounds of things it'll possibly be a year or two before the Aasimar / Tiefling boons are even available again. I'd hate for August 15th to roll around and suddenly realize how I wanted to make my Tiefling Mystic Theurge or Aasimar Oracle.
For the OP, here's a list that makes the Aasimar / Tieflings "unique":
Different Spell-like abilities may allow early access to Prestige Classes including Eldrtich Knight, Mystic Theurge, Bloatmage.
Semi-unique Favored Class Bonus options (Aasimar Oracle or Tiefling Alchemist)
*Wide* range of stats unavailable otherwise. (And Aasimar +2 Stats)
Race Specific Feats (ex. Celestial Servant, Angelic Wings, or Fiend Sight)
Race Specific Alternate Racial Traits (ex. Prehensile Tail)
Outsider Immunities to spells like "Charm Person"
Darkvision (Not having to worry about Darkness)
Pure flavor: I have a Tiefling Cleric of Baphomet with a number of racial traits that make him resemble a Minotaur
The fact that such a list is possible probably lends to why it's good to have their numbers restricted. They're incredibly versatile with a number of benefits largely unobtainable otherwise. There would, however, be dramatically fewer of them without the Blood of- books.
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Being new to pathfinder Assimar were my first race an currently the only race I play.. I have no interest in any other race... I like the ability to pick my stats for what I want to build an I dont feel I should be penalized for useing a race I like.. Piazo is making a big mistake taking away a new player friendly race...
I really hope they reverse this other wise I guess I'll be playing illegally...
Your already made aasimars are still legal. If you're worried about going forward, make a few characters and run them through.
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The problem with that is I havnt been able to play for past month due to work an I normally only get to play once a week if any... So I dont have time or the ability to make more...Your already made aasimars are still legal. If you're worried about going forward, make a few characters and run them through.Being new to pathfinder Assimar were my first race an currently the only race I play.. I have no interest in any other race... I like the ability to pick my stats for what I want to build an I dont feel I should be penalized for useing a race I like.. Piazo is making a big mistake taking away a new player friendly race...
I really hope they reverse this other wise I guess I'll be playing illegally...
The month notice IS a little short. Can you do an online game?
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Being new to pathfinder Assimar were my first race an currently the only race I play.. I have no interest in any other race... I like the ability to pick my stats for what I want to build an I dont feel I should be penalized for useing a race I like.. Piazo is making a big mistake taking away a new player friendly race...
I really hope they reverse this other wise I guess I'll be playing illegally...
Don't confuse Paizo with Pathfinder Society. :)
I would argue the versatility makes options and that too many options are not 'new player friendly'. Just my opinion, and of course has no bearing on playing your favorite race :)
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I'm not too fond of any of the new races, to be honest. I'm not big on nahaji, wayangs, or kitsune and I'm fond of Planetouched races. Fortunately, I'm bringing an aasimar character to PFS tomorrow, so she'll probably be grandfathered in. I've been wanting to play a kind of "eccentric" character for a while, someone who doesn't quite get normal culture. Think of Starfire from the cartoon version of Teen Titans, for example :P
In the meantime, I'm still waiting for catfolk to be legal, 'cuz I have a great idea for a catfolk rogue :P
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There are plenty of good races out there. Each one can be maximized in their own way with all the racial options, feats, etc... out there. Hey, at least we're not stuck with only the core races!
That would be great for me, except I'm not interested in the new PFS-legal races, and the only "big seven" races I like are humans, dwarves, elves and half-orcs.
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You skipped the main part of my question... Who makes the rules in society of its not piazo?
Because you effectively have different GMs for each.
Jason and Stephen and the other developers make the rules for Pathfinder. They set the rules for the whole game.
John and Mike and other campaign staff make the adjustments for the organized campaign. That involves banning certain options, adding houserules to ensure a similar feel from game to game, and making sure PCs come from a similar starting point.
Why would you say your home GM running his campaign is different from Paizo and that Mike and John running the organized campaign is not? Simply because they are employed to oversee the campaign?
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Can someone explain to me how running a ton of games to get A/T characters to grandfather in isn't doing EXACTLY what Compton warned us not to do in the blog post?
I was gonna write a big post on why you and Compton are right, but I'm just going to say that "banking" A/Ts is inefficient and makes playing harder for GMs and players. So, yeah, Compton's right, and I'm trying to explain WHY he (and you) are right.
No my point is if piazo is not the ones making the rules for its society gameplay why should I have to follow this new rule? If the company that owns it all dosnt make the decision then the rules are not true to the game...You skipped the main part of my question... Who makes the rules in society of its not piazo?Because you effectively have different GMs for each.
Jason and Stephen and the other developers make the rules for Pathfinder. They set the rules for the whole game.
John and Mike and other campaign staff make the adjustments for the organized campaign. That involves banning certain options, adding houserules to ensure a similar feel from game to game, and making sure PCs come from a similar starting point.
Why would you say your home GM running his campaign is different from Paizo and that Mike and John running the organized campaign is not? Simply because they are employed to oversee the campaign?
That's because Paizo IS making the rules. You don't have to agree with their choices (I don't), but it's still up to Paizo.
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No my point is if piazo is not the ones making the rules for its society gameplay why should I have to follow this new rule? If the company that owns it all dosnt make the decision then the rules are not true to the game...
Do you get to ignore your GMs houserules because he is not Paizo?
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No because those rules are preset... Any rule made after is agreed upon by the group... This is a rule change an was not agreed apon by the society as a whole
Pathfinder Society rules are not subject to democratic votes. As a living campaign, the decision to change the rules lies solely with the campaign coordinators. As part of a social community they listen to player feedback, but are under no compulsion to comply with it. This may cause a loss of customers, but they have taken that into consideration before announcing this change.
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We have folks here planning on running Master of the Fallen Fortress five(!) times in a day to make a bunch of 1xp tieflings and aasimar. While they are cool for RP, both give a net +2 to abilities over any other race. Some players don't want to lose the "best" mechanical option in the game; others have concepts that work well with tor depend on the various mechanical options available to them.
Heh. I'm not sure if I've played that one yet. I'll need to look at my chronicles. :)
The whole reason I played my Aasimar Oracle a few days ago (at your table too) was just to be able to have one Aasimar character in the campaign (already had a Tiefling). Thanks again for running that scenario. :)
I'm personally of the opinion that, while Aasimar and Tieflings are strong races, they're really not much more powerful as compared to other races (for example, the idea I have for a Dawnflower Dervish Bard would work equally well with a Musetouched Aasimar as well as a Halfling due to the latter's awesome racial feats), but maybe I'm in the minority.
Now as for the OP's question, as has already been mentioned: due to Aasimar's and Tiefling's racial adjustments found in Blood of Angels and Blood of Fiends, they can end up making a really great character for any class. If those two books were put up for Boon-only options as opposed to race boons, I suspect it would have the same effect of decreasing the amount of those races in PFS while still keeping the base Aasmiar and Tiefling. But that might not be feasible.
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No because those rules are preset... Any rule made after is agreed upon by the group... This is a rule change an was not agreed apon by the society as a wholePathfinder Society rules are not subject to democratic votes. As a living campaign, the decision to change the rules lies solely with the campaign coordinators. As part of a social community they listen to player feedback, but are under no compulsion to comply with it. This may cause a loss of customers, but they have taken that into consideration before announcing this change.
Bingo. You can be upset with Paizo over their choices, but it's still their rules. If you don't like the rules, try finding a non-PFS game - if you're lucky, your FLGS might have a "free-play" day when you're allowed to play anything.
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We have folks here planning on running Master of the Fallen Fortress five(!) times in a day to make a bunch of 1xp tieflings and aasimar. While they are cool for RP, both give a net +2 to abilities over any other race. Some players don't want to lose the "best" mechanical option in the game; others have concepts that work well with tor depend on the various mechanical options available to them.
When Compton mentioned in the blog about people trying power running and making 10 characters before the rule change I thought that was a bit ridiculous. "Who would get so married to a race to make it so that every character option they play has be that race?"
I guess I didn't realize how people were playing them.
Tieflings and assimar are a special and unique race. Except in PFS where at times they seem to be more plentiful than humans.
There are a few among my local players, but I'm honestly surprised at the reaction this is receiving. To be honest, knowing that there were players producing significant numbers of assimar and tieflings I'm glad they are making the change. I do like both races and I would prefer that they be special, more so than they are now.
I like spreading my races out a bit, I currently have one character of every core race, Tengu, and Nagaji. I've been thinking about it over the last week because do kind of want to make a tiefling alchemist. But based upon what I'm seeing, I think I will just let that idea go. I have plenty of characters that deserve attention and I don't need to add another native outsider to the world.
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Can someone explain to me how running a ton of games to get A/T characters to grandfather in isn't doing EXACTLY what Compton warned us not to do in the blog post?
Running an extra 1-5 table so players who want to get in that last character concept that has been floating in back of their minds before the deadline is fun and desirable.
Stockpiling 6 1xp a/t so you don't have to worry about that pesky rules change is another matter.
Which is abuse should be self evident.
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No because those rules are preset... Any rule made after is agreed upon by the group... This is a rule change an was not agreed apon by the society as a whole
Pathfinder Society is Organized Play. This means that in order for the same experience to happen at a given PFS table it has to be run the same in Moscow, ID as it is in Chicago, IL or Dublin Ireland. Those rules we agreed on (see the PFSGOP) include that their will be "frequent updates".
You may have missed it, but there are a lot of threads on the problems of this class or that race, or even this equipment . The Campaign organizers
pay attention to these. They have many more discussions with the venture officers in a less public threads. They consult these before making a decision so it is (as much as can be) 'agreed upon by the society as a whole'.
One example of the community changing the rules is the ADDITION of aasimars and tieflings to the additional resources page WITHOUT a con boon. PFS organizers realized just how hard it is for some of us to attend a con and opened them up to general play.
This thread is actually about the fuss of aasimars & tieflings. The first few posts summarized all the DISCUSSIONS over the past three years (which you might have missed).
Get a character or two grandfathered in so you can play the race you want to for the next few years. Stick around that long and you will be impressed with how much the organizers do listen to the customer base (or try a different orgplay and compare :)
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Stockpiling 6 1xp a/t so you don't have to worry about that pesky rules change is another matter.Why would it matter to anyone else anyhow?
If you stockpiled a hundred of them, what difference would it really make?
Dude. Imagine running one hundred games, just for one XP for a/ts. You'd be playing a game with a new character every time, which is really impractical since it'll make you lag behind the other players big time. It's just not practical and it's a headache for GMs and other players.
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Dude. Imagine running one hundred games, just for one XP for a/ts. You'd be playing a game with a new character every time, which is really impractical since it'll make you lag behind the other players big time. It's just not practical and it's a headache for GMs and other players.
Still, how would that make a difference to either of us?
If some guy wants to make a conga-line of alts and run through a chain of 20 confirmations in the next four weeks to get a pile of Aasi and Tief banked up I can't see how it matters to anyone else how he spends his time.
If he falls behind then that has no bearing on you or I, nor anyone else, I would argue that the guy is possibly missing other experiences, or that it's a headache, but hey if he can find a likeminded GM and a minimum table of likeminded players then they can go their hardest IMO. Wont make a jot of difference to myself or anyone not part of their day to day group as far as I can see.
I'm not keen on running a conga line, but I can see that others would - this is a hobby/recreational activity, and like any other hobby there are always going to be a few who want to do something funky - but hey it's their leisure time, can't see why they'd get hated at for doing it (or even told it was in bad taste).